My utter emptiness/blankness

[SoonHei]

Struck me this morning 

That the thinker is a thought... So that means when i conclude that to myself... I do so via a thought... I am just so ungrasapble (as a hand cannot grasp itself)... Impossible to grasp.

 

Only KNOW that I am. That's all there can ever be. I simply know that I am. That's my confirmation. 

The mind claiming OH THE THINKER IS THOUGHT .. or heck, even the "I simply know that I am" is mind...

But i must speak via the mind

And i must also know the mind is also me ... Creates an abstraction to stand out and away from.me... but it's an apparent separation

 

Any symbols/arrow I draw on a piece of a paper, with the purpose of to point to the paper upon which it is drawn, can never truly point to it, as it is ONE with it.

 

Not like my hand pointing to an object in my room.

Never like that!

Impossible!

 

 

[Inliytened1]

@SoonHei You are an idea in a bigger Mind.  But you are also the whole Mind.  The two are absolutely identical.

Oneness.

[SoonHei]

@Inliytened1 amazing. 

 

i wouldn't say identical

i would say ONE - yes. but not identical.

 

one if finite and the other is infinite

an apartment is not identical to a building - they are ONE yes. but not identical

apartment is a part of and not separate from the building

 

i'm sure you mean the same thing when you say identical... yes. the nature/what it's made of is identical. all the same pixels/building blocks... ITSELF.

[Inliytened1]

@SoonHei no i mean from the highest perspective they're literally identical.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Brenzo2]

1 hour ago, SoonHei said:

Not like my hand pointing to an object in my room.

Never like that!

Your hand and your room are one. It is always like that! 

[SoonHei]

@Inliytened1 indeed. their nature/highest perspective.

 

@Brenzo2  exactly. i'm using an analogy there... on a relative level, my hand is able to point to the lamp in my room... but an arrow drawn on a piece of paper cannot point to the piece of paper

 

oh here as well!

let me point out to the white background by using this arrow: ---------- > 

  #Cant

 

of course. my hand and my room are one... 

and even that aint correct... because who is this me who owns this hand and the room  

<3 <3 <3

[Joker_Theory]

1 hour ago, SoonHei said:

@Inliytened1 indeed. their nature/highest perspective.

 

@Brenzo2  exactly. i'm using an analogy there... on a relative level, my hand is able to point to the lamp in my room... but an arrow drawn on a piece of paper cannot point to the piece of paper

 

oh here as well!

let me point out to the white background by using this arrow: ---------- > 

  #Cant

 

of course. my hand and my room are one... 

and even that aint correct... because who is this me who owns this hand and the room  

<3 <3 <3

It's cause the paper and the arrow is 2 dimensional and the room with you hand pointing is 3 dimensional so it's about perspective. With your hand and the room your inside and with the paper and arrow your perception is from the outside.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Joker_Theory

[SoonHei]

@Joker_Theory exactly. that's the case.

 

as leo easily puts it. META-Reality.

 

you cannot go META to reality to point to it.

 

anything you called META reality is also part of reality...

META-Reality is impossible

 

analogies can only bring you to the door. you must open it directly 

[Mu_]

Pretty cool man. It’s all one from the most mudane to the highest concieveable. It’s the meta and the body and difference in appearance is ‘that’ to ‘oneness’. Let that sink in for a while, even the apparent differences is oneness itself. 

[SoonHei]

@Mu_ that one flew over my head. but i am sure it certainly is the case

 

as leo says. it is TOTAL.

TOTALLY TOTAL

 

[Mu_]

10 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

@Mu_ that one flew over my head. but i am sure it certainly is the case

 

as leo says. it is TOTAL.

TOTALLY TOTAL

 

It’s super subtle. You know how you have an experience of oneness and then you start to come back from it. Then you generally find yourself in a experience of what you call duality or the body and mind.  Later you talk about it or reflect on it and onesness/god/being/emptiness feels like or you describe as something that is it’s own thing that is different then what you are normally going through. Most spiritual systems will enforce this this kinda thinking by putting stages and hierarchies in the picture and talk about the body and the mind/ego, the soul, spirit, super mind, infinity. And often all these are seen in orders of difference and progression and create an idea that your closer or farther to ‘god/enlightenment/infinity’.  

Now heres what I’m talking about and the big kicker. These experiences/happenings are experienced and interpreted as different types of qualities and experiences, BUT even the experience and interpretations themselves are itself ‘god/oneness’. There is never a moment in which what you call your experience that is not oneness happening, including the ones you say your out of touch with god or going into or out of or being oneness. 

[SoonHei]

@Mu_ ohhhh

lol yes! 

this reminds me of the 

"talking about the abosolute" is what is happening

 

there is only what's happening

the TV is always ON.

it might show various colors or a single color... when the single color comes on we say it is oneness! but the oneness (TV BEING ON) is always the case

 

amen. love it. the deep knowing lies behind the content of experience  

the belief in the ME being the biggest hurdle

 

this also then means that while you are believed and have the experience of being a separate seeker/person - that it out of "your" contorl as that is what is happening... 

 

the grace then becomes a thing which is very much true... relatively so 

that the "enlightenment/awakening" will happen by grace  and it does (relatively speaking)  

 

one thing which also struck me once in life (which I now understand ) is this

i often used to lose things around the house. nothing major. but had an idea that I will create something called a "WHERE LIST" ... for cases where I have forgotten where I have placed something and quickly see where I kept it

anytime i place some item somewhere for safekeeping. i will add it to the list.. example:
 watch = dresser drawer. playing cards = kitchen cabinet  etc etc.

then i thought, okay. so this is fine, but what if when i have lost something/cant remember where i put it... i forget to check / remember that I have this "where list" 

or... what if when i am putting items away, i forget to write it in that list

 

and so on...

 

point being. it is all just a stream of experience playing out - i will remember it or not remember it, as it was meant to be  

[Mu_]

1 hour ago, SoonHei said:

@Mu_ ohhhh

lol yes! 

this reminds me of the 

"talking about the abosolute" is what is happening

 

there is only what's happening

the TV is always ON.

it might show various colors or a single color... when the single color comes on we say it is oneness! but the oneness (TV BEING ON) is always the case

 

amen. love it. the deep knowing lies behind the content of experience  

the belief in the ME being the biggest hurdle

 

this also then means that while you are believed and have the experience of being a separate seeker/person - that it out of "your" contorl as that is what is happening... 

 

the grace then becomes a thing which is very much true... relatively so 

that the "enlightenment/awakening" will happen by grace  and it does (relatively speaking)  

 

one thing which also struck me once in life (which I now understand ) is this

i often used to lose things around the house. nothing major. but had an idea that I will create something called a "WHERE LIST" ... for cases where I have forgotten where I have placed something and quickly see where I kept it

anytime i place some item somewhere for safekeeping. i will add it to the list.. example:
 watch = dresser drawer. playing cards = kitchen cabinet  etc etc.

then i thought, okay. so this is fine, but what if when i have lost something/cant remember where i put it... i forget to check / remember that I have this "where list" 

or... what if when i am putting items away, i forget to write it in that list

 

and so on...

 

point being. it is all just a stream of experience playing out - i will remember it or not remember it, as it was meant to be  

Yes. ?