Maybe humans are not designed for Unconditional Happiness

[Pouya]

I have a great fear of losing when I contemplate this. 

Why would someone with unconditional happiness have a desire? Or goals? Or even do anything out of purpose?

Why would humans invent stuff to "make life easier" and "advance the human civilization"? If they where always happy, why would they desire to change?

Why would one desire to live?

Maybe the conditional happiness is a built-in system to keep humans moving. Keep them in their suffering. Maybe overcoming this system destroyes your life by ending it. And that makes me so scared and worried.

So to live a happy life should you have litterally 0 expectations from anything and don't give a single shit about anything that happens?

[Pouya]

Then what is authentic desire or motivation? Like if your fully happy all the time, there will be a thing to do that attract you towards it?

(That's why I doubt that someone can be ALWAYS happy.)

[Jamesc]

There are natural occurrences to experience through your, being. It doesn't need to exercise your mind for these occurrences to deteriorate your expectations. You're right in a sense by being scared and worried, that's the human experience at its best.

[Key Elements]

Ok, interesting questions. Simply put, the ego is the paradox to unconditional love, not the opposite. If we are all in pure unconditional love without the ego, there would be no more story to deal with. Since we are all in this story together, what do you want to do? Yes, you, as the ego going through life. I think anyone of us, who are on this forum, reading posts, is fortunate enough to figure this question out. We are given extra opportunities in life.

When you are sitting in your room, being aware and in the present moment, free of any obsessive thoughts, that counts as unconditional love. Then, the ego kicks in and you feel fear or something negative. Then, you try to let it go. Let your thoughts pass and continue.

Btw, unconditional love = unconditional happiness. That's what I meant to say.

[Pouya]

@Key Elements Maybe life shouldn't be based on goals and desire to achive. 

Maybe with unconditional love/happiness life is a surprise every moment. But i just can't get over going in it blindly and being happy with anything that happens..

Edited May 30, 2019 by Pouya

[Key Elements]

25 minutes ago, Pouya said:

@Key Elements Maybe life shouldn't be based on goals and desire to achive. 

As long as the goal is something you love and is not stressing you out. It could take time to figure this one out. However, I'm sure in the forum there are resources that will help you out to search for the goal you love.

[Nahm]

57 minutes ago, Pouya said:

I have a great fear of losing when I contemplate this. 

Address the fear, not the thought story “losing”. Go directly to the sensation and stay with it. Don’t get sucked into a thought story and distracted from staying with the sensation. The understanding arises behind the sensation. 

Why would someone with unconditional happiness have a desire? Or goals? Or even do anything out of purpose?

They stayed with the sensations, had many understandings, realized they are creating.

Why would humans invent stuff to "make life easier" and "advance the human civilization"? If they where always happy, why would they desire to change?

Both.

Why would one desire to live?

Experience other than One. 

Maybe the conditional happiness is a built-in system to keep humans moving.

You create the conditions. They are released by staying with the sensations. Ask yourself, why would I make my own happiness...conditional? And there is your work list. 

Keep them in their suffering.

Subtle, but notice your phrasing denotes someone does this to someone else, as if it is done to you. This is a clear sign of suppressed emotions. That’s not a good thing or bad thing, just sayin that’s how it appears to me. The experience of being you is limited by this, and your interpretations of other people are from that basis. Change, and the world changes with you. 

Maybe overcoming this system destroyes your life by ending it.

“You” won’t be overcoming anything. You’ll be surrendering facets like “being right”, “winning”, “arrogance”, “knowing”, “defensiveness”, etc. That “self” which thinks something needs to be overcome is what “needs to go”. It’s a concept, not a self.  A deeper you will be realized in staying with the sensations.  

When you perceive from ‘something needing to be overcome’, you create that there is something which needs to be overcome, and then you feel bad for not overcoming it. You can never overcome, what you created as - that which needs to be overcome. 

And that makes me so scared and worried.

These are the sensations to embrace, inspect, stay with until they pass. 

So to live a happy life should you have litterally 0 expectations from anything and don't give a single shit about anything that happens?

And this is the thought story you create from not staying with the sensations & understanding them. 

 

[Pouya]

29 minutes ago, Nahm said:

someone does this to someone else, as if it is done to you.

I assume Nature did this to humans because it gets them moving for their survival pretty efficient. Natural evolution.

 

29 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Don’t get sucked into a thought story and distracted from staying with the sensation. The understanding arises behind the sensation. 

I'll focus on the fear next time.

 

29 minutes ago, Nahm said:

You create the conditions. They are released by staying with the sensations. Ask yourself, why would I make my own happiness...conditional? And there is your work list. 

Actually I created a long list of the conditions that make me happy (and I had opposite conditions that both made me happy! Wierd thing. ) and I saw how limited I am in living a fulfilling life.

And If I consider that all of them might not be needed for me to be happy, I actually become happy.

Like, I need X so I can be happy.

Then, ̶I̶ ̶n̶̶e̶̶e̶̶d̶ ̶X̶ ̶s̶̶o̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶̶a̶̶n̶ be happy.

The reason why I do limit happiness, is my childhood's conditioning. All my family, friends, culture, media told me I need things to be happy or my life will be a mess and I'll suffer for it, but now I see this was a lie. Why lie in the first place?

[Pouya]

@Key Elements I'll look for it...

[WelcometoReality]

@Pouya yes I think the unsatisfactoryness is built into the human body as a way to survive. If we go back a hundredthousand years and compare a human with this built in unsatisfactoryness with someone who is constantly happy and content, it's easy to see that the unsatisfied person would probably be better equipped to survive.

3 hours ago, Pouya said:

Why would someone with unconditional happiness have a desire? Or goals? Or even do anything out of purpose?

That persons way to move in the world would probably be different from anyone elses. He would probably not have goals and desires to change his own state but to help others.

[Pouya]

53 minutes ago, WelcometoReality said:

the unsatisfied person would probably be better equipped to survive.

What we are doing were might be a counter intuitive way of evolution i guess.

Now that most humans don't need to survive in open natural places and survival is easier, the problems come from our minds. Maybe this move of evolution is trying to fix the mental-conceptual survival problems we have by becoming more selfless and conscious.

Why would creatures become more conscious anyway.

[Nahm]

7 hours ago, Pouya said:

I'll focus on the fear next time.

You’re creating the fear (psychologically). Stay with the sensation to realize this. Godspeed man. ??

[Shin]

 

Maybe unconditional happiness is your natural state

But you're shitting on it everyday with your stupid brain

[Pouya]

@Shin so if you keep a child away from society in nature from her/his birth does the child live unconditionally happy and loving?

[Key Elements]

1 hour ago, Pouya said:

@Shin so if you keep a child away from society in nature from her/his birth does the child live unconditionally happy and loving?

See, this is a good question. This is an example of a child, who is still innocent, not being aware of his/her ego. You know what's ego, right? Simple definition: the separate self. Then, when the child grows up, he/she is only aware that he/she is separate from the world. But, the truth is, he/she is not. The world, your environment, all objects, and you are all one thing. The truth, like I said, is the paradox of the ego. If you're unaware of this, it can cause the mind to have stress, obsession, frustration, attachments, emotions, etc., etc. Usually, it does.