What in my life is not survival?

[Shaun]

I have spent some time contemplating this and literally EVERYTHING I do is to a greater or lesser extent survival. Even the mediation and spiritual practices in a twisted sort of way.

The only thing I could come up with that is not survival, is consciousness. It has no such needs.

 

Any thoughts or pointers?

[Inliytened1]

Yes the Ego is so Total in its self deception than it cannot perceive or comprehend non-existence.  It fears it.  Even though non-existence is happening right now - right on top of existence.  

It fears death, which in reality there is no such thing - you are Infinite right now - you cannot escape yourself - (or infinity) because you are actually God/Infinity as a part of Infinity/God or a part of itself.

Consciousness minus the ego/formed is Absolute Infinity - if is formless.  It is Being.  There are no dualities or distinctions there.  There is no survival or non-survival.  

So if you meditate and do self inquiry and other techniques long enough a mystical experience will occur and you will become only formless.  You as the ego shall dissolve.  You will no longer be the ego.  And you will experience Being as Being.  This is the ultimate Bliss.  Better than a heroin high.

Anyone out there who has not had a mystical experience after years of this may want to ponder using pyschedelics as a tool to speed the process.

This was a lengthy reply but i felt the question needed a lengthy explanation.

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

@Shiva yup, everything is Ego until it's not

 

[Shin]

16 minutes ago, Shiva said:

There is another option. You can also make decisions in the name of consciousness / God / the universe. But our own personal survival gets in the way. You would have to be identified as universal consciousness and not just as this body. In order words, "you" need to die.

Give an example, cause I can't find one.

Totally honest here

[mandyjw]

Anything you do when you overcome fear with love and courage (also love).

[Shin]

1 minute ago, mandyjw said:

Anything you do when you overcome fear with love and courage (also love).

Anything I ever did including those moments was all about me feeling better.

Even when I let go of people I care about for their sake, in truth it still because it feels better for me more than for their sake.

[Inliytened1]

@mandyjw yup..and intuition....and even the part of your ego that is inherently self deceptive will try to counter that too.  So ya just have to go with your intuition.  

Ego just wants pleasure.. "aww come on man, you don't wanna meditate today, it's boring.  Lets play video games!"

That love and courage you mentioned is still a part of Absolute Love

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[mandyjw]

8 minutes ago, Shin said:

Anything I ever did including those moments was all about me feeling better.

Even when I let go of people I care about for their sake, in truth it still because it feels better for me more than for their sake.

Ok, so it's hard to think of an example because we can only guess about the motive. Only you in your heart and with your intuition know of the motive.

The motive is everything, the action is meaningless. Last year the Jehovah's witnesses came to my door and I got this realization that here I am, a person who sees myself as someone who has transcended most of my mental anguish through spirituality but I just sit in my house isolated and make my money and live my life. And here are these people who truly believe in spreading a message they think is more important than themselves. I thought about how incredibly uncomfortable and unsafe I would feel going door to door. I don't even like talking to my druggy neighbors when my dog got loose and ran on their property. I realized how selfish I was then. 

Now we can sit here and say that they are only doing it to please someone else, or for a future reward of heaven or out of complete delusion. 

But you never know what's in someone's heart. 

[Inliytened1]

@Shin that's how Total this thing is.

But have you ever suffered?  

Suffering is growth in this work.

What about Leo's suggestion of a 30 day solo retreat.  That can't be all pleasure

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Shin]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Shin But have you ever suffered? 

 

I suffered enough

[Inliytened1]

@Shin then there is your answer. Now keep doing that.  It aint quite enough yet.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Shin]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

@Shin then there is your answer. Now keep doing that.

Keep doing what ?

[Inliytened1]

@Shin Keep suffering

Stop doing something or multiple things that is feeding you pleasure.  This will result in suffering.

For example do you have any addictions?  

Try not doing the addiction (which gives you pleasure) for 30 days.  After even a few days or a week you will feel the suffering.

You don't have to answer the addiction question of course it was rhetorical.

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Shin]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Shin Stop doing something or multiple things that is feeding you pleasure.  This sill will result in suffering.

For example do you have any addictions?  

Try not doing the addiction (which gives you pleasure) for 30 days.  After even a few days or a week you will feel the suffering.

You don't have to answer the addiction question of course it was rhetorical.

Last time I did that I almost died.

You want to kill me ?

[Inliytened1]

That's the plan

 

[Shin]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

That's the plan

 

Pinky swear next weekend I'll do one day where morning/afternoon will be meditation only.

That's a start

 

@Inliytened1 Made me think of this meme

 

 

Not far from the Truth ...

Edited May 26, 2019 by Shin

[Inliytened1]

@Shin LOL.   Yes it is...

Edited May 26, 2019 by Inliytened1

[DoubleYou]

58 minutes ago, Shin said:

Anything I ever did including those moments was all about me feeling better.

Even when I let go of people I care about for their sake, in truth it still because it feels better for me more than for their sake.

And that's a great thing.

You feeling good is simply a sign of being more aligned with Truth. 
So feeling good is like a compass. It's intelligent. 

And it's actually selflessness that makes you feel good. That's how it goes full circle. 
Take care of yourself to be able to take care of others. 

And I'm not talking about pleasure / addiction.

[Preetom]

2 hours ago, Shin said:

Anything I ever did including those moments was all about me feeling better.

Even when I let go of people I care about for their sake, in truth it still because it feels better for me more than for their sake.

Good boy finally gettin honest and accepting the real state of affairs 

[Nahm]

3 hours ago, Shaun said:

The only thing I could come up with that is not survival, is consciousness.

That’s all there is. It’s you.