Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Edited May 23, 2019 by abrakamowse Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Drake140 said: It will be a ideology for those who truly deserve it to see it as such. Great insight. Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 @arlin since you're deeply confused about everything, then learn before you make judgements about me and Joseph. We actually know what we're talking about, we're not confused. @Drake140 Will you ever stop worshipping Leo? You think nobody can have a valid criticism of Leo's approach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Truth Addict said: @arlin since you're deeply confused about everything, then learn before you make judgements about me and Joseph. We actually know what we're talking about, we're not confused. I don't think i have to know exactly everything to have a say in this. It's like, i don't have to know exactly what benefits does eating a banana give to me to know that it tastes good. I think you should revisit some basic concepts about what it means to be open-minded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Drake140 said: If you think i am worshipping then maybe you deserve to think so, together with missing my point of the comment. Projection. Projection . Projection .Projection. Projection . Projection .Projection. Projection . Projection . Projection. Projection . Projection .Projection. Projection . Projection .Projection. Projection . Projection . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 @arlin So, your criticism of me is valid, but my criticism of Leo is not? Okay, have it your way. @Drake140 Maybe you deserve to think that I have missed your point of the comment. What a silly argument! You never discussed my criticism of Leo, so anything you say is irrelevant to being with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 Okey @Truth Addict, tell me why i should believe your critics of him then. I am open to the possibility tha you may be right, but prove it to me. Let's play your game then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) @arlin Don't believe my critics of him, just take them into account, and don't dismiss them out of hand. I'm not here to convince you of my views, since they are my views. It's up to you whether you want to directly verify my claims or take them as dogma. I think that's what Leo would say, and I respect him for that. Edited May 23, 2019 by Truth Addict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 @Truth Addict Yes i think that too. I don't have a precise vision of what your views are. Thats why i asked you to clarify them a little bit for me,or explain them,if you want in a private message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 @arlin Leo does not want Actualized.org to become an ideology. Leo keeps repeating his conceptual understandings of God in his videos and on the forum. Leo keeps trying to win hypothetical intellectual arguments about God. Leo insists that his understanding of God is Absolute. Leo clarified that he does not think his understanding is Absolute. Nevertheless, people keep clinging more and more to his metaphysics. Ideology. I'm not saying Leo is deliberately trying to create an ideology, and I don't think ideology is inevitable. I think it can be avoided if Leo becomes more careful with the way he teaches, that's why I created my thread in the first place. That's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Leo seems to have no desire to change judging by his reactions and energy. That's why we're here, for him. Let's not assume the worst. I believe he is willing consider our perspective. Edited May 23, 2019 by Truth Addict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 @Truth Addict He said that the truth cannot be spoken, yet he must speak it. I think you don't fully get what he means,i don't too. But i keep an open mind and i think it must be for valid reasons (That i will later understand. For now im not interested. Im even opened to the possibility that it may not be valid, who knows.). But you keep jumping into conclusions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 You are stuck @Truth Addict @Joseph Maynor He will not change. The question is what are you going to do about this? Are you going to keep looking backwards? Or are you willing to accept some things, stay open minded and do the work for yourself? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 @arlin He does not have to speak it. He is doing that deliberately. No amount of telling people to do the work can actually make them do the work. Also, reality shows that his teachings are actually being used as dogma. So, he might have to make some corrections before it gets out of control. I'm not jumping into conclusions, where have you seen that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) @arlin Yes, keep ignoring the facts and living in your own bubble of fantasy, until 10-20 years from now, armies of Self-Actualizers come to invade your country in the name of love and evolution. You don't realise how significant this is. Look at ISIS, it's just a misinterpretation of spirituality. Edited May 23, 2019 by Truth Addict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) @Truth Addict I can see you are very rational about this. You make lists. I don't think you will be ever able to grasp something like "The truth" whith this way of thinking, keeps you stuck. I personally don't understand a lot of things, but i am aware that this kind of notions can be understood when you question and revisit the way you think. Also, how can some things he says be taken as dogma? If i am new to this, and i hear him explain something mysterous, i go check out for myself. it's impossible to not to do so. Those teachings seems so unbelievable/fairy-taily that every single human with minimum critics of thought can understand the fact that he needs to study deeply about the subject and think a lot about this. Not to mention that he keeps telling people to study for themselves --> The fact that this does not seem real to you, it's your interpretation, your conclusion. 11 minutes ago, Truth Addict said: You don't realise how significant this is. Look at ISIS, it's just a misinterpretation of spirituality. Also,i have never thought about the ISIS thing. But it's interesting what you said there. I have to do more research on the subject. Thanks. Edited May 23, 2019 by arlin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jacobsrw said: Swapping debate for practice is only when true growth occurs. Do the practice then share your results. If your results are incongruent with teachings then in a respectful manner share your personal findings. No no need for public pandering. Yes, exacly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 The best option imo is to agree to disagree and continue our practices. Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Fine. Talking to my girlfriend. Not cool ... God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Then how do we learn from each other? Just by sharing our views. I won't try to convince anyone about my view of reality. Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you? 1 Corinthians 3:16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
