Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) I think criticizm is key to grow. And i love this kind of topics, where there is a lot of doubt involved. But i think leo has got some things that can't be easily understood. I think some things are impossible to not misinterpret. This is because he is so ahead of you all. He is experiencing all of this. You are just watching and criticizing from your limited perspective. He is ahead. Yes, i still think that we should not take his words for absolute truth, this is why he motivates us to experience certain things for ourselves. Thats what he meant with the phrase "Try it for youself". So i don't really understand why such a debate. 3 hours ago, Truth Addict said: and then when you fail to prove that what you suggest is true Remember existence is prior to proof. He can't really prove to you something that can't be grasped with concepts and ideas. 3 hours ago, Truth Addict said: Are you aware that this explanation is just your beliefs and that you're projecting them onto everyone else? Because if you're not, then I'll be even more disappointed. If you want to know if they are all beliefs and not real facts, go ahead and experience for yourself. Have you ever had an enlightenment experience? How many mystical experiences have you had? When you will have the same direct experiences as leo has had, then you can talk Edited May 22, 2019 by arlin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, arlin said: I think criticizm is key to grow. And i love this kind of topics, where there is a lot of doubt involved. But i think leo has got some things that can't be easily understood. I think some things are impossible to not misinterpret. This is because he is so ahead of you all. He is experiencing all of this. You are just watching and criticizing from your limited perspective. He is ahead. Yes, i still think that we should not take his words for absolute truth, this is why he motivates us to experience certain things for ourselves. Thats what he meant with the phrase "Try it for youself". So i don't really understand why such a debate. Remember existence is prior to proof. He can't really prove to you something that can't be grasped with concepts and ideas. If you want to know if they are all beliefs and not real facts, go ahead and experience for yourself. Have you ever had an enlightenment experience? How many mystical experiences have you had? When you will have the same direct experiences as leo has had, then you can talk. you are a zblerb zblerg splech Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 @Truth Addict Not everything that one says is answerable. Watch your projections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Truth Addict said: Leo believes that he can't convince stage Blue closed-minded people of spirituality (as he stated many times here on the forum). I don't think he's targeting them, but perhaps he's targeting Orange. His livelihood is not entirely dependent on YouTube, I don't think YT constitutes more than 20-30% of his income. My point was that Why is he afraid of saying that his teachings are his thoughts and beliefs? Why does he confirm all the time that they're the absolute truth? I think he can admit that, and still keep his audience. @Truth Addict Alright, I watched the video. The quest of metaphysics is enlightenment through modeling. You create such a complete model of reality that you lose your mind, your ability to verbalize it. The models are only meaningful when they are imperfect, relative. The absolute truth has no mouth to speak and no ears to hear it. There is no point of explaining the perfect model to anybody because there is nobody to hear it, everyone is already 'it'. That is how perfect the model is. The Leo you are seeing on the screen, the one you can talk to, will never be enlightened. He will only speak imperfect models because they are imperfect, because there is someone that does not understand them. It's a peculiar position to be an enlightened metaphysics teacher. That is why the highest teaching is silence and nobody knows the true enlightened masters. So, is it a belief? No, it's his best shot at explaining nonduality, but the fact that something follows out of it, a point of life, should tell you that it's incomplete and personal. Nothing follows from nonduality, there is no everything is one and therefore something. Absolute truth when spoken always curls back on itself and leaves you dumbfounded. Edited May 22, 2019 by tsuki Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, Joseph Maynor said: After walking around in Dehli today I've come to the conclusion that we're all deluded and think we know everything. no no, that's what most people operate from. there is really a place of "not knowing" as they say, I didn't embody always this tools, we tend to quickly accustom to everything that seams to make sense to upgrade the filter. you need to subconsciouly become aware of your filter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, Aeris said: you are a zblerb zblerg splech what is this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, arlin said: what is this? sound like an onion, but instead it start with a "m" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 Every video should contain a warning something in this way: Never take my word for sure, use your awareness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 It's all really too radical to be understood by words from someone else. That's why I recommend using your consciousness for verification. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, tedens said: Every video should contain a warning something in this way: Never take my word for sure, use your awareness. Actually, this video had a sentence like that. 19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: Leo sounds so sure of himself in his video though, kind of like a devout religious person. It's got that energy to it. What's wrong with religion? The quest of spirituality is to relieve us from suffering that science failed to solve. To get your own spiritual insight you have to do a damn lot of work and most people can't afford that. The second best that comes right after is comforting stories that you can wrap your head around, that make sense. The problem with today's religions is the fact that the last prophets we had died thousands of years ago. Their legacy is dead, outdated, misunderstood, highly contextual to their time period. The organizations that are supposed to take care of it have no spirit left and force people to abandon their minds and believe something that makes no goddamn sense. Edited May 22, 2019 by tsuki Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) We should distinquish religion from spirituality first. Here lies huge misunderstanding. Edited May 22, 2019 by tedens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, tedens said: We should distinquish religion from spirituality first. Here lies huge misunderstanding. Well, I did - spirituality is about direct insight, religion is about stories that explain them to laypeople. They both aim at relieving suffering, no? Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said: After walking around in Dehli today I've come to the conclusion that we're all deluded and think we know everything. But of course once you realize this what'ya gonna do -- keep yer mouth shut? Not a chance! Nobody can do that because we're know-it-all apes. Our Egos are scared of death, we're competing for resources, and put simply we just need some damn entertainment so we yak yak yak yak at the mouth pretending our own shit don't stink. There's no true humility among the human primate, don't bullshit yourself. Everybody wants to have a bead on things if they're alive, it's just part of the trip. We have a dog in the fight in this whether we have the cajones to admit it or not. Some of us try to be slick and deny it, but you're only fooling the less intelligent monkeys among us including yourself. So, stop pretending to be fair, you're not. If you're alive you're one selfish, arrogant sonofagun. So, let people have their delusions and let people argue. Stop pretending you're superior by turning over the chess table instead of playing the game. You are playing the game as passive aggressive and covert about it that you want to pretend to be -- YOU are playing the game and YOU want to be right. Yes YOU. We all wanna be the one right monkey among the troop of monkeys. @Joseph Maynor Thanks for this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said: We're here to listen to Leo preach to us his religion. It depends on you, I suppose. Do you gain anything out of his metaphysics, or do you simply treat it as a comforting story? That is the difference between religion and spirituality - distraction/comfort vs embodiment. Edited May 22, 2019 by tsuki Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, tsuki said: They both aim at relieving suffering, no? in part, yes. 11 minutes ago, tsuki said: That is the difference between religion and spirituality - distraction/comfort vs embodiment. one of several. Anyway You can't be "fully" enlightened without madness at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 Just now, tedens said: one of several. Do you care to name them? I'd like to hear your input. Bearing with the conditioned in gentleness, fording the river with resolution, not neglecting what is distant, not regarding one's companions; thus one may manage to walk in the middle. H11L2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) @tsuki Collective vs. Entity Beliefs vs. Verification Manipulation vs. Extrication etc. I can be excommunicated for this. ? Edited May 22, 2019 by tedens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 The day Leo will say that we have to give him money/our body to support God's plan, I will reconsider my trust in him. Until then it's all good philosophies and mental masturbation God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 @Shin Haven't You any free banana? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, tedens said: @Shin Haven't You any free banana? No Leo only give bananas to women, He's a fillthy sexist. God is love Whoever lives in love lives in God And God in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
