Let's be real, Leo Gura has no clue... or does He?

[ValiantSalvatore]

@Joseph Maynor It is great, that you criticize so people are aware. An advocatus diaboli is needed often to further reduced cult-like thinking. 

 

[bejapuskas]

Yeh I can also feel this strange atmosphere around here, but Leo's teaching style works good for me, I like directness. But I understand that it is not for everyone...

[now is forever]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Oh I'm getting value from it.  There's huge value in seeing people make mistakes.  I'm learning a lot by seeing Leo do what he's doing on his path.  I'm learning a lot by seeing how the Forum is being affected by Leo's change in his teaching as well.  I'm always learning.  I'm like sponge.  Actually, I learn the most from people who are the least like me.  But I'm not gonna keep my mouth shut either about how and why I disagree with someone or something.  I hope this Forum doesn't become too intolerant in that sense.  I see it sort of happening more and more and it concerns me.  The tone of a community flows from the top.  This includes the workplace as well.  Its hard to be pluralistic when you think you hold the absolute truth.  Look at the religions to see that.  It was secularism that brought about the European Enlightenment, the separation of Church and State.  In general Muslim countries don't have the separation of church and state (except for Turkey), and you see how cult-like Muslim countries are. 

yeah but leo is not the president... maybe you should be concerned about that much more...

[now is forever]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I like how people like to tell me what I should be concerned about.  You're cute.  

it was just a proposition. i mean you also tell us what we should be concerned about. just because you don’t use the word doesn’t make it a non should.

Edited May 22, 2019 by now is forever

[Shin]

10 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I like how people like to tell me what I should be concerned about.  You're cute.  

That's 100% pure ego running a mock.

It's not because you're more eloquent that it's not there anymore.

 

Again, 3/4 different people criticising you in a single thread,
And you still think it's everyone else and not you having a problem ?

And having 13 journals doesn't mean anything,
Could be pure monkey mind running a mock trying to look smart.

Edited May 22, 2019 by Shin

[Key Elements]

The thing is...

If you actually know the Truth, if you have an actual Satori aligned with your life very well, how are you going to plan to communicate it? Obviously, you can't just say it. Just talking is ineffective. It will lead to this:

Correction! If the other person is friendly and radically open-minded, it will lead to this.  If not, it may lead to this:

[mandyjw]

@Joseph Maynor I made this for you. I hope it helps. 

 

[Aeris]

19 minutes ago, Shin said:

That's 100% pure ego running a mock.

It's not because you're more eloquent that it's not there anymore.

 

Again, 3/4 different people criticising you in a single thread,
And you still think it's everyone else and not you having a problem ?

And having 13 journals doesn't mean anything,
Could be pure monkey mind running a mock trying to look smart.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1997_film)

when 20 idiots tell me I m wrong, I can still be right; that is the difference between knowing absolute and living through accumulating bs.

this is why society never liked me, hot head cannot be handled, a king in his mind doesn't mix with mongs.

a thousand lies doesn't create truth

a king know more than 1 billion sheeps.

but Joseph could be a deluded sheep, I m not advocating, but this forum is full of sheeper who needs a herd.

who needs approval for anything is a sheep, doesn't mean what you or I do is without consequences.

but following someone else than yourself, agony

 

 

Edited May 22, 2019 by Aeris

[Shin]

13 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'll exercise the right not to respond to this.

I love you Joseph,

But you're a bullshitting yourself and refuse to see it,
Why do you think you're always involved in arguments with so many people on this forum sometimes ?

It happens at least once a month,
This isn't a coincidence, I don't see many other people having that kind of problem here.

[now is forever]

23 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Re

 

You should read my Journals first before you make such a sweeping comment.

what kind of should is this?

there is a difference between a proposition and a demand.

Edited May 22, 2019 by now is forever

[outlandish]

It's a healthy sign that this kind of skepticism occurs on the forum. It's the community's immune system firing up, which helps defend against the infection of cult behaviour. We need to keep the immune system healthy and flex it once in a while.

But don't get so wrapped up in suspicion, doubt, perfectionism and self-righteousness that you start throwing mud.

[Rilles]

Where can I buy popcorn? Anyone?

[now is forever]

31 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Some of us have long histories on here.  I can take it.  If I can dish it out, I should be able to take it, and I do.  I take a lot.  But I'm happy to do it.  One of things about being a bold, free-thinker is you're gonna goose certain people and catch a lot of shit for it.  You're gonna get ganged up on too I've found.  But it is what it is.  This is me, I've always been a philosopher.  Socrates was killed.  As long as I'm true to myself, I can take the punches in stride.  I get a lot of love too and many people appreciate my participation on here.  A lot of people.  So, I don't take it personal.  I'm truly blessed and I wanna share my insights rather than keep them all to myself and my girl.  I'm here to share.  Love me or leave me.

joseph everyone is sometimes harsh, love sometimes means taking a shot at someone, you are saying that yourself...

i don’t know why you get so defensive- everyone loves you, too. it’s just that not everyone agrees with what you are saying! you have to coap with that or you integrate it and realize it is not about love. or maybe it is, maybe it’s the love and respect you‘d like to have but didn’t build a forum for yet. you have a lack of scholars for the teacher you want and probably could be.

but be aware that they‘ll run from you when you demand their attention or respect. people in this forum are here because they want to, even if they don’t. it’s not a prison like your lsd trip told you. you are your own prison.

Edited May 22, 2019 by now is forever

[now is forever]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I know we all bicker like one big dysfunctional family don't we?  Hey, if people didn't disagree, what fun would life be?  If everyone were like me, I'd probably catch a case and be in prison right now.

life is the prison we make of it. it’s an endless prison break.

Edited May 22, 2019 by now is forever

[Dan502]

Leo can shove as much 5meo up his ass as he likes.

We all love him for who he is anyway. We don't care if he's enlightened or not enlightened or God or a guy in an apartment in Las Vegas.

Actualized.org is my number one favourite YouTube channel. There's nothing else like it and I can't imagine anyone could do a better job of it than Leo.

If he wants to leave it behind or change it that's OK too. I can't wait to see what he does.

My hope is that he is happy, healthy and balanced and if I can continue watching and trying to learn from him, then I feel very lucky.

[SgtPepper]

I think nobody knows Leo but Leo himself and to think otherwise is a lie.

I agree...

5 minutes ago, Dan502 said:

Leo can shove as much 5meo up his ass as he likes.

We all love him for who he is anyway. We don't care if he's enlightened or not enlightened or God or a guy in an apartment in Las Vegas.

Actualized.org is my number one favourite YouTube channel. There's nothing else like it and I can't imagine anyone could do a better job of it than Leo.

If he wants to leave it behind or change it that's OK too. I can't wait to see what he does.

My hope is that he is happy, healthy and balanced and if I can continue watching and trying to learn from him, then I feel very lucky.

Edited May 22, 2019 by SgtPepper

[tenta]

Leo Gura has an unhealthy stage orange and blue shadow, especially with the nonsense talk of "everything is good with a capital G and nothing is bad" which is the dumbest duality/hypocrisy we've seen out of him, and admits to wanting subscribers and views badly

Aside from also saying you should chase enlightenment even tho everything is meaningless, because his ego (and this is actually very difficult to do) cannot admit nihilism, even alleged "nihilists" argue for meaning with everything they can

 

Also contrary opinions like that blackpill video are shut down, yet he claims to be stage yellow, no matter how you look at it this forum has cult dynamics

Edited May 22, 2019 by tenta

[Shin]

17 minutes ago, tenta said:

Leo Gura has an unhealthy stage orange and blue shadow, especially with the nonsense talk of "everything is good with a capital G and nothing is bad" which is the dumbest duality/hypocrisy we've seen out of him, and admits to wanting subscribers and views badly

Aside from also saying you should chase enlightenment even tho everything is meaningless, because his ego (and this is actually very difficult to do) cannot admit nihilism, even alleged "nihilists" argue for meaning with everything they can

 

Also contrary opinions like that blackpill video are shut down, yet he claims to be stage yellow, no matter how you look at it this forum has cult dynamics

And yet he lets you says that.

See, I'm not a big fan of Leo either, but I admit it's mostly projections on my part, I can't really know what kind of guy he really is untill I talk to him.

And again, unless you had the direct experiences, you can't say he's wrong on those things, so watch out.

[now is forever]

21 minutes ago, tenta said:

Leo Gura has an unhealthy stage orange and blue shadow, especially with the nonsense talk of "everything is good with a capital G and nothing is bad" which is the dumbest duality/hypocrisy we've seen out of him, and admits to wanting subscribers and views badly

Aside from also saying you should chase enlightenment even tho everything is meaningless, because his ego (and this is actually very difficult to do) cannot admit nihilism, even alleged "nihilists" argue for meaning with everything they can

 

Also contrary opinions like that blackpill video are shut down, yet he claims to be stage yellow, no matter how you look at it this forum has cult dynamics

says the one with the power tower 

[now is forever]

1 hour ago, Winter said:

You can stay friend with a fat person, just don't tell them that they are. Why can't you live in society? Think about the impact of what you say and use words strategically rather than talking as if you were thinking. True authenticity doesn't mean saying outloud everything you think about, that's just unstrategic and uncharismatic. Your mouth is just like your arms, use it wisely instead of leaving it to instinct. This victim mentality is not gonna lead you anywhere. Either act strategically or be at peace with the dumb consequences.

hey did you just call me fat?