Leo Gura is creating a modern Religion - knowingly or unknowingly

[Aakash]

@ajasatya exactly, i've had this story since i was 13 its one i've made up and still holds strong today 

if i murderer stabs a teenager to death, his friends and parents will know the pain of death, that parent holds the pain but must let go of it by help from grace, the friend looks for revenge and kills the murderer. The friend now becomes the murderer with an excuse but the parents of the new murderer finds out. the new murderer gets sent to prision and the parents hold pain again. this murderer has kids and now must grow up with the grandparents who teach him good, but the murderer teaches him bad when he comes out of prison

the chain goes on and on on a grand scale, but it was all for the purpose of teaching pain and for people to learn. one karmic actions affects everything from anywhere between 200 - 20000 years into the future

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, ahmad ibdah said:

@Leo Gura

So this incarnation will happen again . Oh shit . I have been lately afraid of this idea . That I will have to experience all this suffering again ,forgetting who I am , forgetting love again and again ??.

You will do it gladly. With love. Don't think of it as being the same stuck on a loop. You can make new choices each incarnation. It's like playing a video game. Each playthrough is different. Life's not a movie, it's a video game!

[ajasatya]

1 minute ago, Aakash said:

but it was all for the purpose of

is "purpose" an story of the mind to make acceptance easier or is it fundamentally TRUE?

[dinone]

6 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

Actual spiritual realisation is not superior to religion! Direct experience is just a belief!

+ on that

[oMarcos]

 

1 hour ago, ajasatya said:

nobody can reincarnate. GOD/Spirit reincarnates. spiritual development and the evolution of species are ONE.

thinking along the lines "someone reincarnates" or "when i reincarnate" doesn't quite reach it.

 yes but, ego reincarnates based on previous experience

[Key Elements]

12 minutes ago, Shin said:

Abstract texts are not open to interpretations ?

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Exactly! Looks like abstract texts are opened to more dogmatic interpretations.

[Aakash]

its fundamentally true, because were all interconnected one , what ever thought you hold affects my life and vice versa. what i'm saying is- its not purposeful for the individual but its purposeful for the whole of reality, for example the teenager that was killed lead to the discovery of a new power source because there was a local news article about the stabbing that happened in 1940, in 2000 the picture was looked at and there was a glowing tile on the floor that could only be captured by camera. That glowing tile was unmasked and discovered to be a multimillion pound business which is now killing thousands of people in africa, and the african government is now acting on it. 

not purposeful for the individual, but to the collective whole

[Bill W]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

@Joseph Maynor

@Leo Gura is right about others turning his teachings into religion. He has always been explicit about not doing this. I see way too many here parroting things Leo says as if they are absolute fact. Though I would say Leo inadvertently contributes to this by hammering his truth into whoever questions him. When you're confused and the leader here refers to your behaviors as devilry, either you or onlookers with weaker minds will fall into blind faith parroting and mimicking to stay in line. 

"This is the answer you devil!" - What do you expect is going to happen?

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

@Joseph Maynor making some really good points here. Take some time off the forum, brother. 

 

@Leo Gura is right about others turning his teachings into religion. He has always been explicit about not doing this. I see way too many here parroting things Leo says as if they are absolute fact. Though I would say Leo inadvertently contributes to this by hammering his truth into whoever questions him. When you're confused and the leader here refers to your behaviors as devilry, either you or onlookers with weaker minds will fall into blind faith parroting and mimicking to stay in line. 

"This is the answer you devil!" - What do you expect is going to happen?

4 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

Maybe I just don't take things seriously enough, but if Leo responded to me by calling me a devil and that my idea, belief or action is devilry I would just laugh. I wouldn't think I am a devil. I wouldn't think I am evil. You are stating that some people with weaker minds might take it personally or actually believe it, or feel coerced to agree with Leo's beliefs? I think vulnerable people can access all forums and vulnerable people are at risk of having an adverse reaction to comments they read online, but I am not sure what Leo can do about this. 

[hundreth]

6 minutes ago, Bill W said:

Maybe I just don't take things seriously enough, but if Leo responded to me by calling me a devil and that my idea, belief or action is devilry I would just laugh. I wouldn't think I am a devil. I wouldn't think I am evil. You are stating that some people with weaker minds might take it personally or actually believe it, or feel coerced to agree with Leo's beliefs? I think vulnerable people can access all forums and vulnerable people are at risk of having an adverse reaction to comments they read online, but I am not sure what Leo can do about this. 

Most people are weak minded. He can stop overusing the word "devil" and drop the air of condemnation when there is confusion, challenge, or disagreement. This would help.

[Inliytened1]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You will do it gladly. With love. Don't think of it as being the same stuck on a loop. You can make new choices each incarnation. It's like playing a video game. Each playthrough is different. Life's not a movie, it's a video game!

And you can beat it!  Then go back and play again

 

[mmKay]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return

Nietzsche was a genius.

[sarapr]

8 hours ago, Preetom said:

This came up as an afterthought of watching Leos latest video on the point of life.

This whole "understanding all of reality" theme of Leo is not something new or out of blue as many people take it.

What is religion but an attempt to express "understanding all of reality" in it's own historical time and place?

For an average Muslim, the Quran represents "understanding all of reality". For a Christian, the Bible represents "understanding all of reality", so on and so forth.

Leo is translating and expressing the same spiritual realization with modern metaphors, symbols and educated speculations. Aka a modern religion. Any prophet/spiritual teacher who ever attempted to do it, created a religion knowingly or unknowingly.

This marks the clear distinction between actual spiritual realization and religion. 

Whereas a genuine realization itself is the absolute, religion has to inherently come with an implicit set of morality, value hierarchcy, context, missionary themes, prophets and holy books or theories regarded as "understanding all of reality" just to talk about it.

Why am i saying all this? As a reminder of the limitation of religion. Gurdjiff used to say which Leo mentioned as well in his video "the staggering depth of your unawareness" that pursuing Awareness is the most serious business there is. And the biggest problem in this business is almost all people take it for granted to possess something already which they don't have at all. How can one want to pursue awareness if one thinks he already have it?

So basically the trap of religion is Jesus did it for me, Leo Gura understood and explained all of reality for me. Now I can pretend and create a false sense of spirituality in my life by adhering to these prophets and their messages, while actually my fate is being sealed to remain as a deluded pig once and for all who will never engage in an original investigation or pursuit most likely.

I can totally imagine this turning into a religion like Islam is today 

I mean imagine Muhammad with his family only a handful of people starting a controversial move, being outcasted all the time, just within their own little group of people discussing spiritual teachings while no one else would even want to listen and even towards the end of their time when the last imam was still present and could witness the fate of his religion, there were only four followers left and he would've thought well then that's it, nothing has remained of it for the future but even that four followers turned into this shia group of Muslims who are still fighting over whether Shia is the correct one or Sunni  

now actualzed.org is not even four people 

[Anderz]

3 minutes ago, mmKay said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return
 

I don't see how the universe can repeat itself. Time is always moving forward, without end. For time to have an end there must be a limit. It seems to me that the process of creation is limitless and therefore endless.

[Inliytened1]

@Anderz Time is couched within reality.  Reality itself is Infinite.

 

[Anderz]

@Inliytened1 But when did time begin? The obvious answer as I see it is that time began now. The entire past is compressed into the single eternal now moment. So there is an actual past, such as billions of years since the Big Bang but the entire past manifests instantly in the now.

And the motion of time is because the process of creation is infinite. There is no "external clock" or anything like that, no entity or process outside our reality able to change reality blasting into existence moment by moment in the single eternal now.

[now is forever]

yes

[dinone]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You will do it gladly. With love. Don't think of it as being the same stuck on a loop. You can make new choices each incarnation. It's like playing a video game. Each playthrough is different. Life's not a movie, it's a video game!

That is strange. Sometimes i have moment of feeling that I've lived that moment before, but from that moment life went into different direction.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Anderz said:

@Inliytened1 But when did time begin? The obvious answer as I see it is that time began now. The entire past is compressed into the single eternal now moment. So there is an actual past, such as billions of years since the Big Bang but the entire past manifests instantly in the now.

And the motion of time is because the process of creation is infinite. There is no "external clock" or anything like that, no entity or process outside our reality able to change reality blasting into existence moment by moment in the single eternal now.

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

The question isn't when did time begin, its when did Infinity begin.  And because it's infinite it has no beginning and no end.  It has always been here, and was never here.

Time is an idea thought up by Infinity.  Or the Mind.  It was thought up by you you just aren't aware of it.

[ajasatya]

@Aakash "i am going to become a serial killer. but it's ok... the purpose of this is so that people will be able to learn about pain. it's the grand-design of the universe!"

amazing doorway to devilry. and yes, it's very likely that some serial killer out there is killing people while telling such story to himself.

Edited May 20, 2019 by ajasatya

[now is forever]

i can’t change