I AM NOTHING

[Inliytened1]

Please no thread littering.  Bask in Inifnity.

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, David Hammond said:

Yes. And you still need them after enlightenment

Of course and yes enlightenment Will fix all shadow issues. Sorry if your therapy is not working. 

 I am serious that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

In this world you can still get run over by a car. Your hard wired responses don't go away because you know you were never born. 

Ok. Abiding in non dual awareness and being dettached from the world Will more likely get you hitted by the car. Having and believing all those concepts in your mind. 

 

[Shin]

Everytime there is an argument on this forum, 

There is always David involved.

Coincidence ?

Edited May 12, 2019 by Shin

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, Shin said:

Everytime there is an argument on this forum, 

There is always David involved ?

Coincidence ?

I think not. 

[David Hammond]

@zeroISinfinity Enlightenment will fix all shadow issues will it?

Hmmm you talk as an authority after your three enlightenment experiences.

So if enlightenment by itself fixes "all shadow issues" then why have there been countless people before us who were completely screwed up but we're also enlightened? 

And why is it that a person can become enlightened at stage blue, but shadow work only starts at stage yellow with jungs collective unconscious? 

Perhaps you can enlighten us all so that none of us on the forum waste any of our time looking at the empirical evidence and working on the shadow when all we need to do is listen to :

"OMG it's love it's all love you are love in all directions don't be devil be Angel!!!"

?

Sounds like a really effective enlightenemnt teaching there you have my friend. 

???

Edited May 12, 2019 by David Hammond

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond Dave (may i call you that?) 

We don't ignore the formed.  The content within reality.  It's just that when you have become God you realize that there is nothing else in the big picture than to realize your true self.

Like i said earlier I'm always learning new things.  But everything else pales in comparison to becoming Infinity.

[David Hammond]

@zeroISinfinity You said there is no difference between the waking and dream states.

Right.

So you don't sleep at night now? 

 

[David Hammond]

@zeroISinfinity "abiding in non dual awareness and being detached from the world"

Right. 

When did I say that I was abiding in non dual awareness and I'm detached from the world?

Can you quote me an example? Because I'm sure you're either strawmanning me or there is a huge shadow blocking your view?

Which is not an issue. In fact, you are actually demonstrating exactly what I'm getting at when I say enlightenment experiences do not sort out the shadow.

 

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, David Hammond said:

@zeroISinfinity Enlightenment will fix all shadow issues will it?

Hmmm you talk as an authority after your three enlightenment experiences.

Speaking from direct experience. Yes it Will indeed fix your entire psychology. No JOKE. 

So if enlightenment by itself fixes "all shadow issues" then why have there been countless people before us who were completely screwed up but we're also enlightened? 

You are not enlightened, I know it hurts your ego and I love it. Yes there is huge ego backlashes after "experience" at least for me. But with support you can get through it. 

And why is it that a person can become enlightened at stage blue, but shadow work only starts at stage yellow with jungs collective unconscious? 

Spiral dynamics is Just a map. Again you are confusing map with territory. Why do you think I am stage blue, you really think I am religious lol. I was an full blown stage orange guy when I started this work. Atheist, materialist and so on. 

Perhaps you can enlighten us all so that none of us on the forum waste any of our time looking at the empirical evidence and working on the shadow when all we need to do is listen to OMG it's love it's all love you are love in all directions don't be devil be Angel??

I speak the Truth. Higher level of consciousness better they will Feel and better life Will they have. When you finally get enlightened you Will realize this that Love is Consciousness. 

Sounds like a really effective enlightenemnt teaching there you have my friend. 

I am not a teacher Just regular guy who wholeheartedly wanted to discover Truth 

 

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond the dream at night - think about it.  I am an idea...you can zoom into my hand forever.  I am a small subset of universal consciousness.  I can dream at night.  That doesn't change that the true substance of me is nothing.

[David Hammond]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@David Hammond Dave (may i call you that?) 

We don't ignore the formed.  The content within reality.  It's just that when you have become God you realize that there is nothing else in the big picture than to realize your true self.

Like i said earlier I'm always learning new things.  But everything else pales in comparison to becoming Infinity.

Of course you can call me Dave. No problem. 

I know what you're saying, but I've heard that one before, and yes it's fine you are free to do what you want. But that doesn't change shadow problems back here on earth. 

 

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond by the way you are revealing to me more and more that you a rationalist and a materialist.  Nothing wrong with that but i just don't know why you are teaching enlightenment techniques?

Edited May 12, 2019 by Inliytened1

[David Hammond]

@zeroISinfinity I cannot have a discussion with you unless you learn how to use the quote function correctly. I can't quote a block of my quote that you wrote in.

But there are a shit ton of assumptions in  your reply that actually PROVE my point.

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond my real name is actually Dave too.

[David Hammond]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

@David Hammond by the way you are revealing to me more and more that you a rationalist and a materialist.  Nothing wrong with that but i just don't know why you are teaching enlightenment techniques?

The Buddahs teaching and adwaita are based on rationality and reason. Finding reality is the by-product of logical thinking. 

That's why I KNOW you haven't looked at the non dual schools and studies them. 

Now if you go study with a real teacher then will unfold the teaching to you. It's all about logic. It's not logical that the world exists. 

[David Hammond]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@David Hammond my real name is actually Dave too.

Hi Dave. Nice to be acquainted  lll enjoy having plenty of discussion with you. 

[zeroISinfinity]

I am bored with talking about enlightenment honestly. All I want is to share sweet sweet love with @Shin

Or with that Asian chick ?

Brown bears everywhere. ?

Edited May 12, 2019 by zeroISinfinity

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond i haven't studied a lot on Buddhism that's true.  Because Absolute Truth transcends all religions.

Its a paradigm.  I used to be a materialist until my enlightenment.  During which all that i thought was true melted away before my eyes.  It was utterly shocking and beautiful at the same time. 

Hence the Radical paradigm shift.  

This stuff is very radical so you have to keep an open mind.

Edited May 12, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Shin]

7 minutes ago, David Hammond said:

The Buddahs teaching and adwaita are based on rationality and reason. Finding reality is the by-product of logical thinking. 

That's why I KNOW you haven't looked at the non dual schools and studies them. 

Now if you go study with a real teacher then will unfold the teaching to you. It's all about logic. It's not logical that the world exists. 

You seem to be attached to Buddhism and that "real teacher" belief.

[David Hammond]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

@David Hammond i haven't studied a lot on Buddhism that's true.  Because Absolute Truth transcends all religions.

Its a paradigm.  I used to be a materialist until my enlightenment.  During which all that i thought was true melted away before my eyes.  It was utterly shocking and beautiful at the same time. 

Hence the Radical paradigm shift.  

This stuff is very radical so you have to keep open mind.

I agree that the truth transcends all religions. But Buddhism and adwaita are also non dual teachings. The religion part is the noble 8 fold path in Buddhism and karma yoga in adwaita. They are absolutely needed in order to attain permanent realization. 

Yes there are many people who don't get enlightened using religious guidance and there are also many who don't get enlightened having non dual experiences or experiences of the absolute (same tbing).

The two go hand in hand. But in the end it's only logical that the self is all that exists.