Becoming the breath means permanent enlightenment

[David Hammond]

1 minute ago, Shin said:

 

Ok, you decided to leave it rather than take it.

[David Hammond]

13 minutes ago, Drake140 said:

And i get the part that you say bad is good, but it is only as long as they can process it in a way that eventually will turn to the fine level of good because they had to face that good bad. Also in doing this good bad you have to tank yourself the guilt that comes with doing it that self sacrifice thing you are doing.

I don't understand this..I'll send you a pm and we can continue there if you like

[zeroISinfinity]

Self inquiry-beat shit out of your deluded beleifs 

Watching Leo videos-Absolute perspective brought to relative world so people can understand world better and have truer worldview

Only while meditating you can BECOME God in your True Formless "statec

[David Hammond]

5 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Self inquiry-beat shit out of your deluded beleifs 

Watching Leo videos-Absolute perspective brought to relative world so people can understand world better and have truer worldview

Only while meditating you can BECOME God in your True Formless "statec

Derp

[Inliytened1]

@zeroISinfinity Reality is inherently mystical.  One can become directly conscious of this.  There is nothing like becoming God.  It is the most beautiful and divine thing in the world.   It will melt your heart literally.  Words cannot describe it and it will literally bring you to your knees weeping like a child.

Its beautiful.  And its infinite.

Sorry for posting on your thread.  Zero lets leave his thread alone.

[zeroISinfinity]

Yes enlightenment is deeply emotional and yes you get overly excited nothing wrong with those. I cry everyday since then and I am not ashamed to say this. 

[David Hammond]

8 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Yes enlightenment is deeply emotional and yes you get overly excited nothing wrong with those. I cry everyday since then and I am not ashamed to say this. 

Of course there is nothing wrong with those. But if you are attempting to reach others then this probably isn't the way to do it. My intention is not to reach others, because I only care about my own growth at this point. Do as you please. I'm just annoyed that in a supposed group of supposed 2nd tier thinkers I am being asked to jump through hoops much in the same way that our patents and society make us jump through hoops. Seritoninluv is the worst for this as he's only orange at best, he's done nothing but troll my ass off since I started here asking me to basically be like him. I'm way more conscious than that,  that is social conditioning with an enlightened facade. 

Edited May 12, 2019 by David Hammond

[David Hammond]

10 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Zero lets leave his thread alone.

You and zero are a double act? Gang trolling for the benefit of all sentient beings? 

[zeroISinfinity]

Honestly I want to help you, because literally I am you. Why would I want to delude you to suffer without reason. Think about this. I am not Fucking passing phenomena in your awareness. 

[David Hammond]

1 minute ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Honestly I want to help you, because literally I am you. Why would I want to delude you to suffer without reason. Think about this. I am not Fucking passing phenomena in your awareness. 

Notification button. It exists, just not absolutely.

I don't want your "fucking" help. I'm ok on my own. You dont understand what is going on with other people. I'm just annoyed that you keep on when im clearly not interested. 

[David Hammond]

27 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Self inquiry-beat shit out of your deluded beleifs 

Watching Leo videos-Absolute perspective brought to relative world so people can understand world better and have truer worldview

Only while meditating you can BECOME God in your True Formless "statec

Leo is delusional. So his videos and forum attract delusional people. The Evidence of this is already been pointed out by the fact that  nobody here understands integration of the person.

Think logically for once.

[David Hammond]

29 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Watching Leo videos-Absolute perspective brought to relative world so people can understand world better and have truer worldview

 

Leo is delusional. So his videos and forum attract delusional people. The Evidence of this is already been pointed out by the fact that  nobody here understands integration of the person.

Do you not find it strange that there are no self actualizers on the forum? Don't you find it strange that 70% of Leo's audience are in their 20s? 

Don't you find it strange that people have been seekers all their lives, doing self inquiry, involved in lineages and are working their asses off but you spend an afternoon watching Leo's videos and all of a sudden you have reached what most people haven't? 

Maybe you are delusional?

Think logically for once.

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond i would have honestly thought the same thing.  I did actually.  I was never into spirituality as a matter of fact i was the farthest person from it.  I was a rationalist and an athiest.

But i have always had a kinda loose identity..meaning i never clinged to an idealogy like a lot of other people do.

So when i stumbled on him and decided why not..what would it hurt to try self inquiry and see where it goes.  The question of "when a tree falls in the forest and there is no perceiver, does it actually make a sound?" Always bothered me because i was coming at it from the Materialist paradigm.  But i had a sense that something was amiss..i just hand waved it away like most people do as "oh its just something we can never know"

So that's why at 48 and a lifetime of egoic suffering after a few weeks of meditation via the do nothing and self inquiry method, it happened.   

That's when i started digging into Buddhism and Hinduism just for my own personal knowledge.

[David Hammond]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So that's why at 48 and a lifetime of egoic suffering

Synchronicity. It's happening already! The more I love myself the more my dream changes.

Have you read any Jung? Go study that, that is something you can do by yourself like I am doing now. But digging into Buddhism and adwaita on the internet is not how to become permanently realized. You need to study with someone who knows all the traps and pitfalls and can assess when you are ready for a new teaching. Enlightenment is a science, it's a teaching that is unfolded with the person. It's a framework and needs to be followed as such but personal to you. That's why I say clinging at certain points is essential because it's a part of the process that you must master before it lets you go. 

There is no understanding of that on this forum. Everything is just labelled ego and were told to do continually detatch from every stepping stone.

If enlightenment were that simple then everyone would have been enlightened in the past. But not even every student made it. It's like any profession, only the cream who are ready to receive a teaching received it from their guru. My teaching won't permanently enlighten you because it takes years with your master to even learn how to watch the breath for sustained time. There is so much to it that it takes lifetimes to master. 

Having a lose identity is not conducive to enlightenment but maybe it's conducive to returning to a symbiotic merged state which characterizes the state of a baby before language is formed

Of course, you don't know that because you haven't been trained in a lineage.

Ego death is not enlightenment.

 

[zeroISinfinity]

My story: Materialist, sceptic, nihilist Just basic rat in rat race thinking you live work retire die. 

Now I am the Truth. ?

[Joker_Theory]

2 hours ago, David Hammond said:

Don't breathe deeply. Breathe natural, but observe the sensations in the hara belly area. Everything should be natural.so that you are not involved at all..The more you consciously get involved you are thinking.. 

ah not what i wanted to hear but i hear you, thanks will do.

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond i explore the content.  Actually normally I'm reading a book right now instead of being on a forum.   One should constantly learn...yes there are great books out there and i read several new books a month.  I also listen The Teaching Company for history, science, philosophy and more.  I never stop learning and no one should stop.

The reason i think Zero and i have been spending too much time here on the forum is that becoming God is so incredible that at least for me i wanted to talk to others that can relate to it and also to bring others along in the path..if they are open to it.    But i won't bother you anymore i just stepped in when Zero jumped in.

 Zero you gotta chill with pushing it on people too.  We gotta be respectful here on the forum.  So I'm sorry for that David.

Edited May 12, 2019 by Inliytened1

[zeroISinfinity]

First time I didn't know what happened. That is the day I created account here. 

I learned that all phenomena all states should be disregarde as illusions bla bla bla all that bullshit (mods? Will anyone notice) 

So my mind tried to find logical explanation for it. 2nd time it happened I asked @Nahm for help. Had severe ego backlashes after it needed some support. 3rd time I Just thanked all.

 

[David Hammond]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@David Hammond i explore the content.  Actually normally I'm reading a book right now instead of being on a forum.   One should constantly learn...yes there are great books out there and i read several new books a month.  I also listen The Teaching Company for history, science, philosophy and more.  I never stop learning and no one should stop.

The reason i think Zero and i have been spending too much time here on the forum is that becoming God is so incredible that at least for me i wanted to talk to others that can relate to it and also to bring others along in the path..if they are open to it.  

Well, no hard feelings. You're 48..I'm 42. There are older people here, but most of Leo's audience are immature. I don't mean that in a bad way, but the things I read on here are only orange thinking. When you compared me to Jesus or Ghandi I was saddened because you are completely clueless. Not a bad thing, but I do wish you would leave me alone because the evindence is there in black and white that you don't know what you are talking about 

I've never asked anyone to believe me, all I have to do is ask them to look at the evidence. 

Edited May 12, 2019 by David Hammond

[Inliytened1]

@David Hammond what i meant with that is showing humility.  It's a trait that takes decades to develop.  

But that was before i knew you and your sense of humor.  So for all i know you are the humblest guy in the world.  I shouldn't have assumed.