relative and absolute collapsable?

[Beard]

is relative and Absolute with a capital A a duality which collapses?

[Conrad]

Only the relative can collapse, not the Apsolute. You are identical to the Apsolute. You are All. The relative, the dual, the non-dual. 

With realized awareness/being it is realized that Only I Exists. All is I. Being, Consciousness, awareness, Self, God, the Apsolute are all identical. And you are It.

I'm pointing you to the Truth but ultimately they are only pointers pointing at something or rather no-thing which can only be made aware or conscious of by yourself in direct experience. It is prior and beyond the mind, prior to words. But it’s Actual. 

[Leo Gura]

@Beard Absolute is already the collapse of the relative.

When you are in Absolute consciousness it's as if the relative never existed.

When you are in relative consciousness then there's a clear difference between relative and Absolute. But that's because you're imagining the Absolute, you're not actually experiencing it.

The whole point of an Absolute is that it has no opposite. Opposites exist only in the relative domain.

You need to distinguish between absolute vs Absolute. These are very different things. Absolute with a capital A is the actual thing itself, not an idea, word, or concept. Any time you think of the absolute you're thinking of the lowercase a absolute, not the uppercase A Absolute. Uppercase A Absolute cannot be thought at all nor can it be contrasted with the relative. Uppercase A Absolute is NOT the opposite of relative.

[Joseph Maynor]

More like integrateable than collapsible.  Remember "relative" and "absolute" are just words and concepts.  Reality doesn't care about the meanings of the Ego-Heartbodymind's words.  We have to train the Mind not to white knuckle cling to its own meanings and distinctions; and that's when we start to transcend and integrate mental dualities and start to expand more fully and authentically into reality.  There's a paradox between the absolute and the relative and you wanna work both ends of this paradox.

Edited May 7, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[lmfao]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

When you are in Absolute consciousness it's as if the relative never existed.

This

@Beard When you enter a state beyond all concepts and words, you'll see.

[zeroISinfinity]

Pure Infinite love without anything. 

Then you realize your own life is the same thing. But you have to live it as separated self. You know things around you including yourself are that yet they appear to be like this. Life lose all meanings all purpose all motivations of that separated self. 

Mario gets destroyed yet Mario has to live. 

[Beard]

@Leo Gura Thank you for taking the time to clarify, and everyone else as well. This helped a ton! Of course the question was posted as I was studying for one of my last college finals  haha its great to finally be free! 

I just wrapped up the most recent video and day one of my life has truly started, Love all of you inspiring mother fuckers, Lets go lead by example!

[Matt8800]

@Beard Here is a great excerpt from the Kybalion in the chapter of "The Divine Paradox":

 

"This is the Paradox of the Universe, resulting from the Principle of Polarity which manifests when THE ALL begins to Create—hearken to it for it points the difference between half-wisdom and wisdom. While to THE INFINITE ALL, the Universe, its Laws, its Powers, its life, its Phenomena, are as things witnessed in the state of Meditation or Dream; yet to all that is Finite, the Universe must be treated as Real, and life, and action, and thought, must be based thereupon, accordingly, although with an ever understanding of the Higher Truth. Each according to its own Plane and Laws. Were THE ALL to imagine that the Universe were indeed Reality, then woe to the Universe, for there would be then no escape from lower to higher, divineward—then would the Universe become a fixity and progress would become impossible. And if Man, owing to half-wisdom, acts and lives and thinks of the Universe as merely a dream (akin to his own finite dreams) then indeed does it so become for him, and like a sleep-walker he stumbles ever around and around in a circle, making no progress, and being forced into an awakening at last by his falling bruised and bleeding over the Natural Laws which he ignored. Keep your mind ever on the Star, but let your eyes watch over your footsteps, lest you fall into the mire by reason of your upward gaze. Remember the Divine Paradox, that while the Universe IS NOT, still IT IS. Remember ever the Two Poles of Truth the Absolute and the Relative. Beware of Half-Truths.

What Hermetists know as “the Law of Paradox” is an aspect of the Principle of Polarity. The Hermetic writings are filled with references to the appearance of the Paradox in the consideration of the problems of Life and Being. The Teachers are constantly warning their students against the error of omitting the “other side” of any question. And their warnings are particularly directed to the problems of the Absolute and the Relative, which perplex all students of philosophy, and which cause so many to think and act contrary to what is generally known as “common sense.” And we caution all students to be sure to grasp the Divine Paradox of the Absolute and Relative, lest they become entangled in the mire of the Half-Truth. With this in view this particular lesson has been written. Read it carefully!

The first thought that comes to the thinking man after he realizes the truth that the Universe is a Mental Creation of THE ALL, is that the Universe and all that it contains is a mere illusion; an unreality; against which idea his instincts revolt. But this, like all other great truths, must be considered both from the Absolute and the Relative points of view. From the Absolute viewpoint, of course, the Universe is in the nature of an illusion, a dream, a phantasmagoria, as compared to THE ALL in itself. We recognize this even in our ordinary view, for we speak of the world as “a fleeting show” that comes and goes, is born and dies—for the element of impermanence and change, finiteness and unsubstantiality, must ever be connected with the idea of a created Universe when it is contrasted with the idea of THE ALL, no matter what may be our beliefs concerning the nature of both. Philosopher, metaphysician, scientist and theologian all agree upon this idea, and the thought is found in all forms of philosophical thought and religious conceptions, as well as in the theories of the respective schools of metaphysics and theology.

So, the Hermetic Teachings do not preach the unsubstantiality of the Universe in any stronger terms than those more familiar to you, although their presentation of the subject may seem somewhat more startling. Anything that has a beginning and an ending must be, in a sense, unreal and untrue, and the Universe comes under the rule, in all schools of thought. From the Absolute point of view, there is nothing Real except THE ALL, no matter what terms we may use in thinking of, or discussing the subject. Whether the Universe be created of Matter, or whether it be a Mental Creation in the Mind of THE ALL—it is unsubstantial, non-enduring, a thing of time, space and change. We want you to realize this fact thoroughly, before you pass judgment on the Hermetic conception of the Mental nature of the Universe. Think over any and all of the other conceptions, and see whether this be not true of them.

But the Absolute point of view shows merely one side of the picture—the other side is the Relative one. Absolute Truth has been defined as “Things as the mind of God knows them,” while Relative Truth is “Things as the highest reason of Man understands them.” And so while to THE ALL the Universe must be unreal and illusionary, a mere dream or result of meditation,—nevertheless, to the finite minds forming a part of that Universe, and viewing it through mortal faculties, the Universe is very real indeed, and must be so considered. In recognizing the Absolute view, we must not make the mistake of ignoring or denying the facts and phenomena of the Universe as they present themselves to our mortal faculties—we are not THE ALL, remember."