Leo and everyone is deluded (including myself)

[dharm4]

Any belief / verbal communication / Leo video is not reality, but only a small part of it.

Even the belief:  "I know what reality is" 

What Leo is doing is nothing more than mental mastrubation. 

I'm not saying his experience is worth nothing, but they are nothing more than an existential dream.

Don't belief what I say, only believe what you see for yourself.

Edited May 3, 2019 by dharm4

[Nahm]

@dharm4 What are you talking about?

[Shin]

It's only mental masturbation if you only think about it.

Leo is the first one to say that if you don't practice and contemplate hard then it's just mental masturbation.

[jbram2002]

Reality is too big for us to grasp in an unenlightened form. Words help chop it up into bite-sized pieces. Yes, advice is partially for oneself and others to just think about, and to bolster and busy our ego with these ideas. But it also helps us grasp the bigger picture. 

We're all a bit crazy. But what's wrong with that?

[DrewNows]

if you don't understand what is belief it may easily become dogma

8 minutes ago, dharm4 said:

Don't belief what I say, only believe what you see for yourself.

This sounds like Leo

[dharm4]

@jbram_2002 yes, there is nothing wrong with it. But it is easy to get stuck. Just watch a video on Non-Duality, actualized.org.... or read my words...

[Inliytened1]

@dharm4 its the real deal my friend.

People get confused and think Leo makes this stuff up.

This stuff has been known for thousands of years.

I am enlightened and i can tell u this is real or i wouldn't be here.  I was a materialist and rationalist my entire life until i experimented with spirituality and meditation and had a mystical  experience.  And when it happened i was like holy fuck.  I wasn't on pyschedelics either.

I'm not saying this to be arrogant I'm just saying this stuff is actually the real deal as hard as it is to believe and as much as it seems like its science fiction.

Not the case brother. It really is this way.

Edited May 3, 2019 by Inliytened1

[dharm4]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@dharm4 its the real deal my friend.

People get confused and think Leo makes this stuff up.

This stuff has been known for thousands of years.

I am enlightened and i can tell u this is real or i wouldn't be here.  I was a materialist and rationalist my entire life until i experimented with spirituality and meditation and had a mystical  experience.

I'm not saying this to be arrogant I'm just saying this stuff is actually the real deal as hard as it is to believe and as much as it seems like its science fiction.

Not the case brother.

I don't think he makes stuff up.

But every word is a lie.

Everything on the internet is a lie. Even the so called "truth".

Truth is beyond conception. It is without form.

 

[cetus]

12 minutes ago, dharm4 said:

Any belief / verbal communication / Leo video is not reality, but part only a small part of it.

Even the belief:  "I know what reality is" 

What Leo is doing is nothing more than mental mastrubation. 

I'm not saying his experience is worth nothing, but they are nothing more than an existential dream.

Don't belief what I say, only believe what you see for yourself.

That's right.  Truth with a capital "T" can't be communicated with spoken words. Trancendence of the words is totally in the hands of each individual.

[Shin]

2 minutes ago, dharm4 said:

I don't think he makes stuff up.

But every word is a lie.

Everything on the internet is a lie. Even the so called "truth".

Truth is beyond conception. It is without form.

 

From this perspective, yes every words are a lie.

From the perspective that words can point to the truth, it is not lies.

[Inliytened1]

@dharm4 thats different then.  Your correct about all words concepts language etc is not Truth it is just pointing to it..that's all it can do.  So yes in that sense everything is false and Leo says that in his videos too as someone else just mentioned.

So I'm not sure what the point of the post is unless you are just now grasping this.

 

[dharm4]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@dharm4 thats different then.  Your correct about all words concepts language etc is not Truth it is just pointing to it..that's all it can do.  So yes in that sense everything is false and Leo says that in his videos too as someone else just mentioned.

So I'm not sure what the point of the post is unless you are just now grasping this.

 

I have not watched all of his videos. So maybe this is just common sense right now  I'm happy if it is.

[Inliytened1]

@dharm4

May find out you are spiritually gifted too..do you meditate?

 

[Leo Gura]

Of course the truth is that nothing I say is truth. Or is it?

[dharm4]

@Inliytened1 I do meditate every morning for 20-30 minutes. But what I'm talking about has nothing to do with it. It goes beyond "everything" you could do.

[dharm4]

@Leo Gura you are the devil. And so am I. 

[abrakamowse]

@dharm4  If you are in silence, no mental labeling, no nothing... you are awareness too

[Leo Gura]

45 minutes ago, dharm4 said:

@Leo Gura you are the devil. And so am I. 

A devil who's aware he's a devil is no longer a devil but an angel.

[Forestluv]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A devil who's aware he's a devil is no longer a devil but an angel.

What if a person still acts as a devil, with awareness they are acting as a devil? Would we consider them an angel?

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

What if a person still acts as a devil, with awareness they are acting as a devil? Would we consider them an angel?

Then they are still not fully aware, they are only half-aware. The point of full awareness is that it makes devilry impossible. But there is much to become aware of, and many degrees of awareness, so it's easy for a devil to become half-aware and still act like a devil. Sometimes even more of a devil. Gaps in awareness are very common, which is where the devil lurks.

In practice full awareness is very rare and difficult, so the devil always lurks around the corner.