Sane, crazy, insanity and psychosis

[DrewNows]

5 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

I would say no. Stick your hand in a fire and tell me if the experience is completely dependent on one’s perspective.

The direct experience carries much more weight for me than an intellectual analysis.

Experience is dependent on the experiencer. Some do not have similar belief in relation. See my definition 

13 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

My definition for insanity would be  “mind trapped in resistance unable to surrender” but some minds may desire to be trapped in a certain pattern of resistance, so for them It’s not insane  

 

 

[Forestluv]

25 minutes ago, shamaanitar said:

Extreamly well put. This is really not awakening, yes it can teach you about sanity and other intresting this but it is HORRIFIC. 

In insanity, your mind takes over in a very painful way. It is all mind, which is taking over by creating meaning to everything. There is no peace. There is no love. There is violent delusion. After awekening there is peacefulness, understanding. After and during psychosis there is horrible depression, suicidal thoughts along with other very mind related things.

This is not like my experiences, yet I can see how it could be for others.

[DrewNows]

4 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

This is not like my experiences, yet I can see how it could be for others.

Similar to mine but psychosis created more confusion than anything 

[Forestluv]

@DrewNows Your definition / description is not aligned with my personal experiences of insanity or my experience volunteering with patients in a psychiatric unit. I would not consider your definition to be insanity, yet I would say could be a component of a psychotic episode. Yet I’m not a trained expert in this area and it’s fine if others hold different views.

To me, your definition sounds like anxiety on a psychedelic prior to ego death.  

[DrewNows]

@Serotoninluvinteresting. I was simply trying to put the simplest definition together based off experience from my understanding. To go deeper well it was fighting for my life barely clinging on for what seemed like forever 

Would you agree it’s all subjective? Can’t someone who doesn’t see themselves as “insane” be judged to be exactly that? 

Edited May 4, 2019 by DrewNows

[abrakamowse]

52 minutes ago, shamaanitar said:

Extreamly well put. This is really not awakening, yes it can teach you about sanity and other intresting this but it is HORRIFIC. 

In insanity, your mind takes over in a very painful way. It is all mind, which is taking over by creating meaning to everything. There is no peace. There is no love. There is violent delusion. After awekening there is peacefulness, understanding. After and during psychosis there is horrible depression, suicidal thoughts along with other very mind related things.

The Dark night of the Soul

[Forestluv]

@DrewNows In some forms of insanity, surrender is not an option. There is nothing to surrender and nothing to surrender to. In the example I gave of my friend and her mon - surrender wasn’t an option.

I’m reluctant to define insanity because such a definition is a privilege of the sane. 

[DrewNows]

3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

@DrewNows In some forms of insanity, surrender is not an option. There is nothing to surrender and nothing to surrender to. 

I’m reluctant to define insanity because such a definition is a privilege of the sane. 

 Well like I said ime surrender/death wasn’t an option period 

the death of the mind was inconceivable  

edit: but that’s all I’m saying/supporting, there isn’t a clear definition of sane vs insane but giving power over to an idea or belief will make it so 

Edited May 4, 2019 by DrewNows

[Forestluv]

3 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

 Well like I said ime surrender/death wasn’t an option period 

My statement was based on your definition - which was based on surrender. 

[abrakamowse]

1 hour ago, Flatworld Crusades said:

@EvilAngel @abrakamowse So are you saying that the delusion became reality? How does that happen? If I'm In a delusional state and I believe I'm Wonderwoman and have super powers obviously that is untrue. Are you talking about a different style of delusion

i hope I explained that clearly 

What I am saying is that there's different kind of delusions. For example, the society agrees with what is normal and what's not. We decided that is Ok to go to work from 9 to 5, that we need an army, that we have to kill the enemies, that factories need to contaminate the environment.

All this for me is insane. But, we all agree that is Ok. It's a delusion too, a collective delusion.

The difference between becoming president, getting votes, going to talk to convince people,  making campaigns, etc and believing that you are, let's say Napoleon. It's that there's people around you saying that you are nuts. And, on the other hand,  being president is OK, because we all agree that's Ok.

I believe that we adapt to anything. If being crazy or psychotic or think you are Napoleon or Abraham Lincoln or Jesus were "normal" we wouldn't see it as abnormal. I am pretty sure about that.

Yes, I know... I am nuts.

Edited May 4, 2019 by abrakamowse

[DrewNows]

3 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Your definition was based on surrender. 

No it was based on resistance (trapped)..ime I didn’t know such option as surrender ?

edit: should have clarified this sorry 

Edited May 4, 2019 by DrewNows

[Forestluv]

3 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

No it was based on resistance (trapped)..ime I didn’t know such option as surrender ?

“ “mind trapped in resistance unable to surrender”

My statement was based off of that definition you gave.

[DrewNows]

1 minute ago, Serotoninluv said:

“ “mind trapped in resistance unable to surrender”

In the experience there was only mind trapped in perpetuating resistance. Looking back I add surrender as being the option out of insanity (which wasn’t really an option then)

Edited May 4, 2019 by DrewNows

[Flatworld Crusades]

What exactly do you mean by resistance and surrender?

[abrakamowse]

I think surrender is the only option, even if it doesn't work.

My idea of surrender @Flatworld Crusades is just to be the observer and let the mind do whatever it wants. Just don't identify with the mind.

But, it's just my idea, I never had an experience like that. So deep. I had some experience of losing my identity but I think this one we are talking about is deeper than that.

Edited May 4, 2019 by abrakamowse

[DrewNows]

17 minutes ago, Flatworld Crusades said:

What exactly do you mean by resistance and surrender?

Resistance = conflict = violence 

surrender = dying = losing oneself 

All psychologically or within the mind 

surrendering to the shroom trip . 

Edited May 4, 2019 by DrewNows

[Forestluv]

@DrewNows 

I would be comfortable calling what you describe as a form of temporary psychosis. 

[DrewNows]

@Serotoninluvbut I’m describing a shrooms trip lol I did have some psychosis afterwards for a little while and it was like going through the motions of life with complete uncertainty and disbelief (confusion) sort of like a lost soul hahaha 

[Forestluv]

@DrewNows I mean temporary in the sense it’s not untreated schizophrenia or bi-polar and wasn’t recurrent for years. That would likely be a different recovery and contextualization.

[Flatworld Crusades]

@abrakamowse @DrewNows  I'm kinda struggling to put this into context. I don't get the violence or the dying