Is lust fear based emotion?

[Truth Addict]

@DrewNows

I see, but I don't view thought as evil. I  view it as necessary.

Conflict is unnecessary, you can think all you want without conflict.

You can love without fear, but you can't fear without Love.

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[DrewNows]

13 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@DrewNows

I see, but I don't view thought as evil. I  view it as necessary.

Conflict is unnecessary, you can think all you want without conflict.

You can love without fear, but you can't fear without Love.

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I am saying all psychological fear is conflict. Thought is not evil, it is useful and needed for planning, survival, learning and creating. Thought-self is what creates the division/confusion/fear/separation etc. 

We cannot force passion or love, I think it's beneficial not to continue lumping it all into the same category as some idea/belief for this is yet another obstacle as identification for thought-self 

Edit: also i feel it is important not to label any thoughts/feelings (fear,anger,shame, anxiety,depression,pleaseure) as being good or bad because this ultimately is the avoidance to understanding the mind, which cannot be bypassed 

Edited May 3, 2019 by DrewNows

[Truth Addict]

@DrewNows

The ideal you're talking about is kind of hard, maybe even impossible to achieve.

You basically can't be alive without separating yourself from environment.

So, you can't lose the self entirely, although you can make it less important.

You're still seeing a duality between self and other, and thinking that by doing that you're avoiding duality. But actually, that's not the case, you're still thinking dualistically, and that's why you find confusion in being a self.

You can't not be a self, stop trying to not be who you are. Stop resisting.

If you accept the separation, then there would be no resistance, and therefore no more conflicts.

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[Shin]

21 hours ago, Flatworld Crusades said:

I don think lust is negative.  It's really just intense desire

Not negative, but there surely is something about it.

Without judging it at all, it feels quite "disturbing", it feels like you need something, and the object of lust is seen as a means to an end, not a person,
There is a compulsion to quench, and if it isn't you feel restless.

I think it's a combination of neediness/being addicted to sex and thinking sex is something you need to feel good/fulfilled.
I'm thinking it is about that, because I didn't experienced lust for a while, just after I solved those issues above.
That can't be just a coincidence for me.

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Shin

[DrewNows]

6 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@DrewNows

The ideal you're talking about is kind of hard, maybe even impossible to achieve.

You basically can't be alive without separating yourself from environment.

So, you can't lose the self entirely, although you can make it less important.

You're still seeing a duality between self and other, and thinking that by doing that you're avoiding duality. But actually, that's not the case, you're still thinking dualistically, and that's why you find confusion in being a self.

You can't not be a self, stop trying to not be who you are. Stop resisting.

If you accept the separation, then there would be no resistance, and therefore no more conflicts.

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I speak of attaining wisdom or knowledge of the self not to obliterate/resist it but to function wholly without any sort of neurosis or energy zapping delusion. It is simply going beyond the thoughts which create stagnation (pain, suffering etc) to access the boundless energy of freedom without the identification of mind. Choice-less awareness possibly leading to headlessness. Here lies the realm of infinite creativity, love, compassion, and joy. It's all Faceless used to communicate on here

[Truth Addict]

@DrewNows

This is very beautiful! ❤️

[DrewNows]

@Truth Addict enjoyed this conversation/exploration  ?

it is tricky separating belief from fact when looking into what is 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by DrewNows

[Flatworld Crusades]

1 hour ago, Shin said:

Not negative, but there surely is something about it.

Without judging it at all, it feels quite "disturbing", it feels like you need something, and the object of lust is seen as a means to an end, not a person,
There is a compulsion to quench, and if it isn't you feel restless.

I think it's a combination of neediness/being addicted to sex and thinking sex is something you need to feel good/fulfilled.
I'm thinking it is about that, because I didn't experienced lust for a while, just after I solved those issues above.
That can't be just a coincidence for me.

 

Lust for sex

lust for life

words are just letters on the screen, it's the meaning we attach to those words that bring forth emotion. 

Your experience with it is interesting me to as I'm almost polar opposite. No neediness just freedom to express myself sexually. 

[Truth Addict]

3 hours ago, DrewNows said:

@Truth Addict enjoyed this conversation/exploration  ?

it is tricky separating belief from fact when looking into what is 

 

Me too ❤️

Hehe, there's no difference between belief and fact, that's a belief and a fact. Think about it ?

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[DrewNows]

@Truth Addictwell in relation to the observation of thought-self, the seeing through the veil of belief as in presupposing we know the fact (of what lies beyond the experience) 

[Truth Addict]

@DrewNows

Whatever experience or understanding we have, it will eventually become a memory.

What is a memory but a fantasy? Why do we place so much value on it? Isn't that biased? Why are my personal experiences truer than others'? If not, then I can trust their experiences too, and that's what we call a belief.

[DrewNows]

10 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@DrewNows

Whatever experience or understanding we have, it will eventually become a memory.

What is a memory but a fantasy? Why do we place so much value on it? Isn't that biased? Why are my personal experiences truer than others'? If not, then I can trust their experiences too, and that's what we call a belief.

Yes all creating self knowledge (memory) I got you ?

completely unteachable 

[Truth Addict]

@DrewNows ??

I don't want to learn, I'm happy with my beliefs.

Edited May 4, 2019 by Truth Addict