Need some help with this one please

[DrewNows]

Phenomenological psychology I think is what @Truth Addictis referring to 

here is one way shared with me, to go about “enlightenment”: 

1# Understanding the nature of experience-phenomenon in movement in our daily life. referred to as phenomenological psychology. 

2# to understand the nature of thought and it’s relationship to the self, which also correlates with #1 

3# to understand the nature of psychological time, in which also is interconnected with both #1 & #2. 

@Faceless considered this the most direct without all the bs method of exploration to end psychological conflict, or be liberated from the false division between the experiencer and the experience

 

[purerogue]

Just now, zeroISinfinity said:

Consciousness =appearent reality

Duality collapses. All duality collapses into ONE. God. There is Just God. It is really THAT simple. 

Is it ? What now?

I am still thinking if there is even something ultimate to wake up to, because every state of mind, even if you do not call it state of mind, lets call it perception is ultimately just that, different way to experience and if there is anything to wake up to it is probably Nothing, but who would want to wake up to something like that. 

[zeroISinfinity]

All of this layering is Just plain stupid it keeps you devoid and separated even more. You are Just making harm to yourself with it. 

Note to unenlightened spiritual wannabes with fancy concept that life is illusory and a dream and imagination. News for you it is real because it is God. God is Truth and Love those are not fake! Stop deluding yourself. 

Sending love ❤️

[Lister]

1 minute ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Consciousness =appearent reality

Duality collapses. All duality collapses into ONE. God. There is Just God. It is really THAT simple. 

I know what you're saying. But I can't see how that's ultimately true, because awareness is non dual, which means it has never entered into the movie. 

The movie is shapes, colours, boundaries, duality. That is the movie happening IN awareness itself. 

Think of a movie screen. The screen is awareness and duality is the movie that is moving around on the screen. 

At which point did the movie and the screen become one or seperate? If the movie and the screen were always one then non duality would not be the word used for liberation. 

And how does distinctions collapse into one when its absolutely clear that distinctions are there in the movie. 

The colour red is still distinct from the colour blue.  Nothing changes that. Nothing changes the phenomenal world, but realization changes the person in the movie to an extent because it knows that it's only a movie, that reality is beyond the movie, and that both the movie and reality cannot be changed.

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, DrewNows said:

 

@Faceless considered this the most direct without all the bs method of exploration to end psychological conflict, or be liberated from the false division between the experiencer and the experience

 

@Faceless is a master in this "realm". When he was around, I did not appreciate his pointers. Recently, I've been reading through his old posts and they now resonate with me. He points to something very profound. 

[zeroISinfinity]

Drop that idea of movie screen it goes like this.Subject/ego merges with awareness, awareness into reality, reality into source of Being. All unifies into God /existance. Source is within everything. 

[zeroISinfinity]

You are it I am it Leo is IT my Dog is every object you see is it every bacteria everything is God. All divine. All free All immortal All radiant All Joy All Love etc. 

God is for everything. 

[Inliytened1]

In reading some if these posts on you guys having depression and or not desiring to do anything else in life other than go to work and do spirituality..and it seems to make you miserable..maybe you guys are not at the stage of life yet for this advanced stuff.

Did you guys watch Leo's latest video which was much more practical?

Spirituality is something you want to delve into after you have taken care a lot of your basic needs and have had a good amount of experience in your life.  I'm not hinting at going out and just banging girls although maybe a little of the egoic life is just what you guys need and then you kinda come back around to spirituality when you are already at a certain stage in your life.

Its very advanced stuff and you want to already have experienced life a little before taking up spirituality.

I may be completely wrong here but i just see a lot of guys struggling to be happy here and they say spirituality is making it worse.  At the right time of life Spirituality will really bring you the deepest peace and happiness..

But maybe if you never experienced the shallow stuff before you knew it was shallow then you can't really embody spirituality from the right place.

Its like you might be skipping phases. Just some thoughts is all.

Edited May 6, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Truth Addict]

@DrewNows

I'm not familiar with Faceless and his contributions.

Those honestly were my observations. I'll take a look at Faceless's profile. ?

[Lister]

22 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

In terms of "awareness", there are many concepts of it lingering around. A soon as the mind thinks one word, it is too much. One word is too many, a million words not enough. The closest I can get is "nothing". What I consider "awareness" is one step removed from "nothing", yet very very close to it. If there was a movie from "nothing" to "everything", awareness is very early in the movie. It seems like the start of the movie, yet there is a "prior" to that "start". . .  In contrast, conceptualizing awareness with words and images comes much much later in the movie. If it was a two hour movie, this would be around 1hr. 50min. into the movie.

Yes. What is beyond all conceptualizing? I discovered that all experience, experience itself and the experiencER, all thinking are all objects that happen inside the substrate of awareness. Nothing can conceptualize awareness, there can only be direct realization by the mind that it cannot get what it is looking for, because what it is looking for is awareness itself. Look at what qualities the mind seeks: comfort, stability, certainty, a sense of completeness. Awareness is all of these things because it is unaffected by phenomena.

The ego is just awareness deluded by Maya (the ignorance that keeps it seeking itself in the world of objects).

 

[DrewNows]

@Inliytened1 hey join in the suffering or get lost buddy ??

”it’s okay to suffer as long as we do it consciously, gosh!” 

“Your mind is playing tricks on you, there’s nobody here to suffer” 

“can we all just take a step back and observe, the sufferer is the suffering!” 

@Truth Addict he has a good thread called something like “no way as way to headlessness” and it’s very tricky to comprehend but worth diving into 

[zeroISinfinity]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

In reading some if these posts on you guys having depression and or not desiring to do anything else in life other than go to work and do spirituality..and it seems to make you miserable..maybe you guys are not at the stage of life yet for this advanced stuff.

Did you guys watch Leo's latest video which was much more practical?

Spirituality is something you want to delve into after you have taken care a lot of your basic needs and have had a good amount of experience in your life.  I'm not hinting at going out and just banging girls although maybe a little of the egoic life is just what you guys need and then you kinda come back around to spirituality when you are already at a certain stage in your life.

Its very advanced stuff and you want to already have experienced life a little before taking up spirituality.

I may be completely wrong here but i just see a lot of guys struggling to be happy here and they say spirituality is making it worse.  At the right time of life Spirituality will really bring you the deepest peace and happiness..

But maybe if you never experienced the shallow stuff before you knew it was shallow then you can't really embody spirituality from the right place.

Just some thoughts is all.

Yes you are correct. But there is deep sense of completion and end of all deficient egoic needs. All happiness and peace found within no need to search inside of world for it. 

Personal story:Had sex with girl not because I wanted I did it for her to make her happy but I myself didn't cared. But I have no need to enter relationship to make her suffer from fake romantic love. 

[Inliytened1]

@DrewNows lol..I'm not saying not to suffer..as a matter of fact when i went out and enjoyed life and pursued money and women it was great for a while but then i ended up finding this wasn't truly fulfilling.  I was suffering indirectly and didn't know it!

[Lister]

14 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

You are it I am it Leo is IT my Dog is every object you see is it every bacteria everything is God. All divine. All free All immortal All radiant All Joy All Love etc. 

God is for everything. 

I have no sense of God. I find all this talk of God really amusing (in a kind way) because these are just concepts that the ego needs in order to have its cake and eat it. The ego wants to be the creator, and God, and wants oneness. Well, it is one, but it's one with phenomena because the mind is conditioned to look for certain experiences in phenomena. The mind is literally lost in the world looking for awareness but never finding it.

Edited May 6, 2019 by Lister

[Inliytened1]

@zeroISinfinity your 100% correct to but sometimes its better for a person to find this out for themselves too

[zeroISinfinity]

Ego is you. Your conceptual imaginary self. That creature that owns body and mind dies merges with envoirment. 

[purerogue]

Nothing to do with depression, or having no desire to do something, I think you completely missed the point, I have explored allot of this, merging with existence and went to areas where  your construct of existence collapses to level that you will find no information about it on this forum.

If you can't take critique, or alternative idea that you are just clinging to experience, then maybe you are one who is not ready yet.

That aside, my point was not to bash someone  for wanting to live with certain perception, or to explore as many as they want.  

[Forestluv]

35 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@Serotoninluv

Yeah, that's also interesting.

I get glimpses of similar experiences through concentration practices.

I become disidentified with pretty much everything for a brief period of time, everything appears strange, the sounds, the sights, the sensations, and being stops being taken for granted, how is existence possible? I have to go deeper with the practices.

Any suggestions?

❤️

 

I would consider these to be nondual experiences. There are various forms and degrees. I find them fascinating to explore and they have revealed many awakening., yet they are not “it”.  

Ime, the most effective way to “enter” a nondual experience is a moderate dose of a psychedelic. This puts the mind-body into a Now dimension in which the human story along the timeline dimension dissolves. A cannabis edible can have a similar effect. 

Others methods such as meditation, walking in nature, yoga etc may also induce nondual presence. For me, I had many brief glimpses that I never “caught”. After a few good looks at nonduality, it easier for them to arise. I think one key is relaxing the mind/body into deeply relaxed, yet alert, states. 

[Lister]

30 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

All of this layering is Just plain stupid it keeps you devoid and separated even more. You are Just making harm to yourself with it. 

Note to unenlightened spiritual wannabes with fancy concept that life is illusory and a dream and imagination. News for you it is real because it is God. God is Truth and Love those are not fake! Stop deluding yourself. 

Sending love ❤️

Life is not imagination. It is real and solid. What I mean by unreal is that it's a machine, a play and every object is impermanent.

But what is the only part of you that is permanent? That never changes? It never dies because it was never born. It has no sense of time, it never entered into time and world. It doenst have any body, it's not the causal body (that you think is God). It's literally the awareness of all of this. Nothing else is aware except awareness. 

[zeroISinfinity]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@zeroISinfinity your 100% correct to but sometimes its better for a person to find this out for themselves too

Yes for awakening you really have to be prepared to pay horrible egoic price. My parents do not really understand this. Whole day I was liste ing story why don't you want to get married find some girl. There is a girl asking for you take her out. Are you gay what is wrong with you etc. Been listening to this all day. Had enough of it. Yes that's my ego sure. I have to do a lot of purification work not really interested at the moment in stupid rat race or making other people suffering.