Would you confront family about their unconsciousness?

[Pouya]

@Fountainbleu Yeah it's true that you start growing and see how sleep others are but don't let others stop you from growing concsiousness.

Let others be unconcsious and work on yourself with humility. No one will understand how much you've grown even if you explain them about it.

That's why there's a forum here! ?

 

Maybe the time will come and you'll help them become free.

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Pouya

[David Hammond]

38 minutes ago, Fountainbleu said:

@David Hammond what @playdoh  said.  I'm not saying I'm enlightened or anything, but I I'm less identified with my ego than said family members. 

There are no degrees to enlightenment. You either are or you're not identified. 

All you have at the moment is a superior sounding, more informed ego.

Trust me, when you awaken you will understand what I'm saying.

 

[Pouya]

@David Hammond If you mean full enlightenment, yeah it's right guess but i think reletive growth is sudden. I think it as gradual.

[David Hammond]

1 minute ago, Pouya said:

@David Hammond If you mean full enlightenment, yeah it's right guess but i think reletive growth is sudden. I think it as gradual.

No it's not. If you go by this model you won't ever become enlightened.

 

[Pouya]

@David Hammond This needs some investigation for me.

[Pouya]

@SoonHei ❤

[David Hammond]

2 minutes ago, Pouya said:

@David Hammond This needs some investigation for me.

Dzogchen is your friend. 

[Fountainbleu]

woow some very nice comments, i'll get back to ya'll later tonight when i'm done with work  Many thxss

[David Hammond]

31 minutes ago, Fountainbleu said:

woow some very nice comments, i'll get back to ya'll later tonight when i'm done with work  Many thxss

No problem. Glad to be of service. I like to see my low consciousness students gradually climb the ladder of consciousness to where I am.

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[tecladocasio]

@Fountainbleu

2 hours ago, Fountainbleu said:

 I'm not saying I'm enlightened or anything, but I I'm less identified with my ego than said family members.

The fact that you are comparing yourself with them tell us the oposite . This is not a competition . Your journey is yours , nothing to do with them . 

[Flatworld Crusades]

5 hours ago, Pouya said:

@Fountainbleu One of the things I've learned is that never try to "spread the Truth" or "wake uncounscious people up" before you yourself are actually awakened. 

Otherwise the results are:

Misunderstanding, judgement, name calling and being mocked, and even not understanding at all.

I completely agree

[Forestluv]

@Fountainbleu I have a somewhat similar family dynamic, yet not nearly as intense or dramatic as your situation. To me, it sounds like you are deeply immersed in family dynamics, stories and personalities. For one's own sanity, I think it can be helpful to get some distance from family craziness to allow a new openness and space for personal insights and growth to arise. . . I would resist the temptation to enter into a "I'm more enlightened/conscious than you and here are your problems" dynamic. It can be very subtle and easy to slip into. Yet it just doesn't do one's own mind-body any good, or family members any good. For my family, they are generally not open or interested in expanding their minds. They are in a relatively contracted mindset (stage blue/orange on the SD scale). When they are in a group, it is even more pronounced. Yet occasionally I'll be having a one-on-one discussion with a family member and they may loosen up and question one of their limiting beliefs and ask me about it. Something like "you mentioned that some of your students are gay and lesbian. How do you interact with those students?" The underlying dynamic is that they believe homosexuality is immoral and they are subconsciously questioning that belief. I can gently pull them into their "stretch zone" and talk about how the LGBTQ students are similar to other students. I can take it to the "Green" level by discussing human emotions we all share. However, I have to be careful to stay within the "stretch zone" and not push it into the "panic zone". For example, if I start talking about how we should all be using gender neutral pronouns and the politics of same-sex marriage - it would take them into a panic zone and they would get highly defensive or want to change the subject. . . This is an example of openness that is relatively rare and generally arises in one-on-one personal discussions - it very very rarely arises in a group setting in which their is a collective ego.

Generally, I don't judge or try to steer them to some "high conscious / enlightened" existence that I think they should be at. Everyone has their own path. I just try to be a loving being and as aware as I can be. Sometimes they may ask me for advice, other times not. Yet, I don't try to push or pull them to some destination I think would be better for them. As well, I make a conscious effort to not "take the bait" and engage within that drama.

[Rigel]

Every time you have a thought about how "unconscious" you think they are. Ask yourself how you are doing said "unconscious" behavior yourself.

Judgment make it seem like there's a problem out there that you are well above but it's just a smokescreen to mask one's own bullshit.

I hope you'll find the light within all of this turmoil<3

Edited April 29, 2019 by Rigel