Extinction rebellion

[1x0]

Hi all,

I am interested in your views. Extinction rebellion obviously primarily green in the spiral dynamics.

How well do you think they will do in a blue/orange understanding?

Any suggestions in change of or additional tactics to reach out to those stuck in a blue/orange understanding?

Much love to you all and thanks in advance.

[1x0]

Gutted there is no response. I'll try again...

Extinction rebellion is the alarm bell. The action takes all of us.

Can you think of any other inventive strategies to reach out and make people stop in there tracks and inciting immediate change to our business as usual. 

Spiral dynamics greens are already thinking about it, so what would appeal to a blue or orange, to first listen, secondly take action regarding our climate crisis?

Much love xxx

[SoothedByRain]

4c is locked in. New models are saying 5c is locked in. New studies came out saying that they have discovered huge pools of Nitrous Oxide under Artic Ice which has 300+ times the effect CO2 has, but it also erodes the Ozone Layer. 4c means BOE means all that Methane and NO in the atmosphere means death of all life on earth.

Extinction Rebellion is a Stage Green Egoic Movement that is too little to late. Picture Wiley The Coyote off the edge of the cliff, then looking down and falling. This is Humanity. This is Extinction Rebellion. ER hasn't even looked down yet . . . the rest of humanity isn't aware it is already of the cliff edge.

The Ego and our unawareness is the main cause of all our troubles. What we need is a cognitive / spiritual / psychological evolution beyond Ego collectively which won't even happen in our time of plenty and mass information.; Let alone in the scarcity and war that will be coming with just even 2c.

Extinction Rebellion is driven by the thing that got us here in the first place . . . Ego. Don't get me wrong, ER is a good thing, its just too little too late and it isn't anywhere close to dealing with anything of worth that will change anything at all.

What do you think all those people would say if they were told that our societies consumption is unsustainable so much so that for Humanity to have any chance in surviving the century all consumption needs to halt NOW. Today. No more phones, no more electricity on mass, no more cars, planes, boats, mass agriculture, mass trade etc etc. Do you even think our complex systems could function without such? 

It is simple, our civilisation cannot and will not function as it does right now in 20 to 50 years time. We won't change. We will be forced into change. and it will make the Syrian refugee crisis seem like a stroll in the park.

The reason the real numbers aren't thrown around is because of suppression from governments and top scientists who know that to give anything other than conventional numbers would spark mass depression, suicides, riots and strikes. The system would collapse and it would all fall apart. ER is already stretching the London Police force thin just over a week of these minor protests. Chaos would ensue if the reality of the situation went mainstream.
 

Nothing is wrong in reality. Everything is exactly as it is. Only a Dualistic Ego would try to change anything beyond simply sitting and Being at this stage. How do we help Stage Blue/Orange move into Green and beyond? Look at what Leo has done with Actualized.org

Awareness Alone is Curative.

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I started this thread a little while back. Got 1 response.

And no I don't have links on hand for what I said above but the information is online if you look for it. Only thing I have close at hand with no effort of fishing for it is Paul Beckwith below with the latest Nitrous Oxide studies

 

[purerogue]

3 minutes ago, SoothedByRain said:

4c is locked in. New models are saying 5c is locked in. New studies came out saying that they have discovered huge pools of Nitrous Oxide under Artic Ice which has 300+ times the effect CO2 has, but it also erodes the Ozone Layer. 4c means BOE means all that Methane and NO in the atmosphere means death of all life on earth.

Extinction Rebellion is a Stage Green Egoic Movement that is too little to late. Picture Wiley The Coyote off the edge of the cliff, then looking down and falling. This is Humanity. This is Extinction Rebellion. ER hasn't even looked down yet . . . the rest of humanity isn't aware it is already of the cliff edge.

The Ego and our unawareness is the main cause of all our troubles. What we need is a cognitive / spiritual / psychological evolution beyond Ego collectively which won't even happen in our time of plenty and mass information.; Let alone in the scarcity and war that will be coming with just even 2c.

Extinction Rebellion is driven by the thing that got us here in the first place . . . Ego. Don't get me wrong, ER is a good thing, its just too little too late and it isn't anywhere close to dealing with anything of worth that will change anything at all.

What do you think all those people would say if they were told that our societies consumption is unsustainable so much so that for Humanity to have any chance in surviving the century all consumption needs to halt NOW. Today. No more phones, no more electricity on mass, no more cars, planes, boats, mass agriculture, mass trade etc etc. Do you even think our complex systems could function without such? 

It is simple, our civilisation cannot and will not function as it does right now in 20 to 50 years time. We won't change. We will be forced into change. and it will make the Syrian refugee crisis seem like a stroll in the park.

The reason the real numbers aren't thrown around is because of suppression from governments and top scientists who know that to give anything other than conventional numbers would spark mass depression, suicides, riots and strikes. The system would collapse and it would all fall apart. ER is already stretching the London Police force thin just over a week of these minor protests. Chaos would ensue if the reality of the situation went mainstream.
 

Nothing is wrong in reality. Everything is exactly as it is. Only a Dualistic Ego would try to change anything beyond simply sitting and Being at this stage. How do we help Stage Blue/Orange move into Green and beyond? Look at what Leo has done with Actualized.org

Awareness Alone is Curative.

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I started this thread a little while back. Got 1 response.

And no I don't have links on hand for what I said above but the information is online if you look for it. Only thing I have close at hand with no effort of fishing for it is Paul Beckwith below with the latest Nitrous Oxide studies

 

Funny, I had dream like 2 years ago where world went extinct at around 2065 or something like that.

[SoothedByRain]

@purerogueI had a dream recently that I was being chased around my old school by santa whilst I was naked. Lets cross our fingers and hope neither come true.

Edited April 24, 2019 by SoothedByRain

[purerogue]

Just now, SoothedByRain said:

I had a dream recently that I was being chased around my old school by santa whilst I was naked. Lets cross our fingers and hope neither come true.

I don't really care about my dream even if it comes true, but would not want to be in your place though!  

[1x0]

Thanks for your answer @SoothedByRain. 

I don't agree with you that it is driven by Ego. I think there is a lot of people with big egos in the mix. There is also a lot of sheep following going on too. So maybe not just greens but also many progress driven oranges and rule driven blues in there too...

If it is all too late, that doesn't mean we shouldn't kick up a fuss about improving our balance with nature. After all, there has only been nature, so we might as well try to exist in it.

I am also sceptical that there are many people holding data back for fear of upsetting people. There are people that love that shit to take a stab a society.

Civil disobedience is certainly creating a stir, but in order to connect with everyone there would need to be a multifaceted strategy to get buy-in. I'm trying to contemplate if that would be possible.

[RichardY]

14 hours ago, purerogue said:

Funny, I had dream like 2 years ago where world went extinct at around 2065 or something like that.

Isaac newton gave 2060 as a possible date.

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Bottom Line Land Management.( Move to Agrarianism away from Capitalism & Socialism)

I read an article recently that said 50% of land in the UK was owned by 1% of the population or something like that. If land was divided up equally it would be about 1 acre a person. Arable land is 0.22 acres a person or about 900 square meters. That is super intensive agriculture that is required.

If the land was managed better things could improve. The population is about as much as could be sustained. Unless vertical farms, or some sort of algae feed becomes viable.

Either land ownership and management, along with Fossil fuels dependence and planning permission;  would have to change. Which would mean the death of the banking sector. Or the population culled, to maintain the material standard of living and environmental integrity(over fishing, soil depletion).

Even if the atmosphere is totally fucked. There's still time for biomes, but literally everyone would have to be working at it imho. They build underground in Canada due to the cold. If there's technology to colonise  and terraform Mars. Why not the Earth? Norway and many European countries literally have abandoned towns villages and forest.

As I said death of the banking sector,  but also pharmaceutical, retail&Supermarket and education sector as presently constituted. Go back to the 18th Century just before the population exploded. Nice big Georgian houses and cottages, but with many of the modern plant cultivars and developed technologies.

Leave the technical stuff to 150 I.Q plus.

Have them frequent the cities and science parks. Masses of people housed in tenement blocks working for corporations financed by massive debt makes no sense what so ever. Devote literally all other redundant resources to climate control, as people are now living in villages. Consumer society dead. Problem solved. 
 

[1x0]

That's quite a vision you have there! We or our future generations might get to that stage.

However, My question that I seem to be unable to express very well is:

How one (or a group) can reach out to all stages with a message of urgency?

I can see that Extinction Rebellion are using a Corel approach of disruption and letting them all sort each other out, as no one will listen to a green other than greens.
Is this the only way to reach to all stages in your opinion?

Many thanks!

[1x0]

On 24/04/2019 at 10:16 AM, SoothedByRain said:

Awareness Alone is Curative

@SoothedByRain I am getting you now.... we need them to observe the damage they are creating and they will sort themselves out.

There is still the barrier of encouragement to observe.

[RichardY]

@1x0 Focus on land, distribution. Permaculture. Less than 900 square meters of land! To feed, cloth, provide medicine, water & heating fuel. In a cold climate.

Less dependence, more effort can then be focused elsewhere. At the 8 minute mark in the video it mentioned NO2 being a large contributor from Fertiliser. Walled gardens and high yielding fruit trees can produce more food efficiently than millions of pounds in equipment. The thing is the labour and getting to that stage. Forest gardening so there's a canopy of layers.

I'm not a Green. I consider myself Agrarian Whig ideologically. People know the UK is a potential powder keg, and the police will struggle to keep order, as with the London riots/looting that spread across the country. I remember them making a big thing on the news with a 5 year sentence for stealing Tesco's value rice and bottled water. Steal something decent!

I think the only mines still operating in the UK are Potash. 

Either things go to a tech Singularity(Hive like) or an Omega Singularity(Distributive). 

Otherwise the UK remains at the mercy of imports and the status of it's currency.

De-Urbanization. The expendable labour for industry is no longer required. Cold reality, but unless anyone has a better idea.

[1x0]

Good action points, I will think about what you said and get back to you soon. Thanks!