No-self to God-Self

[zeroISinfinity]

19 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

I WON'T DROP MY "BELIEF SYSTEM" TO SUIT YOU, BECAUSE I AM A REALIST WHO KNOWS IT TO BE THE TRUTH THROUGH THE REVELATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD!

Satanism is a negative belief system, just like Satan himself!  I'm not interested.

See your ego exposed. 

 

[zeroISinfinity]

5 minutes ago, Anton_Pierre said:

@Soul-lover 2020 You have misinterpreted the spiritual teachings of the bible.

26 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

 

 

Love you man, how embodiment is going. Feels good mind more at easy and heart full? 

[Anton_Pierre]

@zeroISinfinity I'm combing a lot of spiritual cleansing methods at the moment which involve extreme suffering in safe way. I have a lot more work to be done.

[abrakamowse]

2 hours ago, zeroISinfinity said:

But time Will come for you to see deeper Truth about These teachings Andrea. You are talking those teachings as beleif system. That beleif system must be droped. I would suggest you to start learning about satanism for example. That Will expose your ignorance. You Will see on what ideas your mind is clinging on.

All bullshitery(mods notice that I used this word) must be washed away. 

Jesus also said ""I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear."

John 16:12

[Soul-lover 2020]

1 hour ago, Anton_Pierre said:

@Soul-lover 2020 You have misinterpreted the spiritual teachings of the bible.

I don't see how.  Please explain.   

[zeroISinfinity]

Bible is like personal development 2000 years ago. It is about you not about Jesus story. 

[Soul-lover 2020]

2 hours ago, zeroISinfinity said:

See your ego exposed. 

 

How has speaking the truth got anything to do with my ego?  I used capital letters because you are not getting it.

[Soul-lover 2020]

1 minute ago, zeroISinfinity said:

Bible is like personal development 2000 years ago. It is about you not about Jesus story. 

No.  It's about Jesus, and is also as much about personal development today as it was 2000 years ago. 

[zeroISinfinity]

22 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

How has speaking the truth got anything to do with my ego?  I used capital letters because you are not getting it.

Exactly. ??

[abrakamowse]

Jesus realized he was God. He and God were ONE. So, he began to say what he experienced. I AM the way, I AM the truth.

No one comes to the father if it's not through ME.

The disciples didn't understood what he was talking about, so they began to create a story about how sins will be forgiven, because he was crucified, so he was the ultimate sacrifice, etc... etc...

You can realize that they didn't understand because in the last supper he asked them Who do you think I AM? And Thomas said, Show us the father.

Jesus said if he was looking at him, how can you say "show us the father"? If Jesus was in the father and the father in him?

Jesus cames from the word Je suis that means I AM

 

All Jesus messages is for us, that we can be like him, not that he is the only one that is the son of God.

 

[Soul-lover 2020]

10 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

Jesus also said ""I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear."

John 16:12

Here's the context:

John 16 : 5 -15 (NKJV)

The Work of the Holy Spirit

“But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’  But because I have said these things to you,sorrow has filled your heart.  Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.  And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.  However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.  He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.  All things that the Father has are Mine.  Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

Happy searching....

Andrea

 

[abrakamowse]

"“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. "

In the context that's what he is saying... some things you cannot bear them now.

[Anton_Pierre]

@Soul-lover 2020 You see the texts, but you are too blind to see the words.

[Soul-lover 2020]

Just now, abrakamowse said:

Jesus realized he was God. He and God were ONE. So, he began to say what he experienced. I AM the way, I AM the truth.

No one comes to the father if it's not through ME.

The disciples didn't understood what he was talking about, so they began to create a story about how sins will be forgiven, because he was crucified, so he was the ultimate sacrifice, etc... etc...

You can realize that they didn't understand because in the last supper he asked them Who do you think I AM? And Thomas said, Show us the father.

Jesus said if he was looking at him, how can you say "show us the father"? If Jesus was in the father and the father in him?

Jesus cames from the word Je suis that means I AM

 

All Jesus messages is for us, that we can be like him, not that he is the only one that is the son of God.

 

Jesus ALWAYS knew who He was.  He was, and always shall be God incarnate.  He is the only begotten Son of God - begotten but not made.

His disciples did NOT make up their accounts about Him dying for us sinners, and then being raised back to life 3 days later.  THEY WERE ACTUAL WITNESSES OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

Jesus told Thomas that he had already seen the Father because He and the Father were one.  They and the Holy Spirit are the Elohim of God.

Jesus no more means I AM than the statement "I am Andrea (or Andrew)" means "I am GOD", which I'm not.

I am a son of God because I believe in He who died for me who is the Christ.  

[Soul-lover 2020]

21 minutes ago, Anton_Pierre said:

@Soul-lover 2020 You see the texts, but you are too blind to see the words.

This applies to you, not me.  

[abrakamowse]

18 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Jesus ALWAYS knew who He was.  He was, and always shall be God incarnate.  He is the only begotten Son of God - begotten but not made.

Jesus knew he and God were one. Like you are one with God too. You only have to realize that fact.
That's why he said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."

John 14:20

He didn't say, you will become one... he said you will realize. It's something that you are but now because of the trickery of the devil you cannot see.

 

20 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

His disciples did NOT make up their accounts about Him dying for us sinners, and then being raised back to life 3 days later.  THEY WERE ACTUAL WITNESSES OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

It's true, they were witnesses of Jesus being raised from the dead. That's true... but that fact doesn't have included that he died for our sins so we know can through him see God... all that BS was created by the church, to keep Jesus up there, far away from us. He is the only one! We can't be like him.

When Jesus was very clear that we are one with God and with him. We all are ONE.

 

22 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Jesus told Thomas that he had already seen the Father because He and the Father were one.  They and the Holy Spirit are the Elohim of God.

If there's separated Elohim, how can you say that God is infinite? If God is infinite, then it is not possible to be two Elohims. Because he won't be infinite anymore. If there's one soul that is you separated from God, that means that God is not infinite, because you are not included in him. You are saying that God is not omnipresent and infinite and that's blasphemy. 

:-)

25 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Jesus no more means I AM than the statement "I am Andrea (or Andrew)" means "I am GOD", which I'm not.

Jesus is the small I am... Jesus is the character, the son of Mary and Joseph, the carpenter. That is Jesus. When Jesus received the Holy Spirit (he become enlightened) he become JesusChrist. The Christ is the anointed one, that's Jesus when he recognized that he is the son of God and he is also God, because God and him are one. Like you and me. You only have to see. 

I repeat:

"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."

John 14:20

 

28 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

I am a son of God because I believe in He who died for me who is the Christ.  

You have to believe in his words, when Jesus said "believe me" he wasn't saying "believe me that I am going to die so your sins will be forgiven because I will sacrifice myself so you that are separated from God can now be again with him through me"

No, there's no part in the Bible where Jesus says that, only his disciples say that. You have to believe his words that we are Gods.

Right now, that we think we are separated we are sons of the Devil, because the Devil is the one that took the place of God. Now we deny him because we say I AM this and that... and we always were One with God, until the original sin where we wanted to become like GOD, that this is what the Ego/Devil is doing now. Taking the place of God, that's why there's so much misery in the world.

 

When we recognize again we are in God, and God in us and that we have to deny ourselves (The Devil) we will see the glory of God and we will be one with him too.

 

 

[Soul-lover 2020]

On 5/8/2019 at 5:15 PM, abrakamowse said:

Jesus knew he and God were one. Like you are one with God too. You only have to realize that fact.
That's why he said "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."

John 14:20

That doesn't mean I am God

He didn't say, you will become one... he said you will realize. It's something that you are but now because of the trickery of the devil you cannot see.

That is a false assertion.

It's true, they were witnesses of Jesus being raised from the dead. That's true... but that fact doesn't have included that he died for our sins so we know can through him see God... all that BS was created by the church, to keep Jesus up there, far away from us. He is the only one! We can't be like him.

Those same witnesses were Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John who wrote the Gospel accounts of the life, teachings, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.  The free gift of eternal salvation would not be offered by God to us had Christ not died in our place, and then triumphed over death three days later.  You weren't there, they were.

When Jesus was very clear that we are one with God and with him. We all are ONE. 

A man and his wife are as one.  It's not unlike that between the true Christian and God, but we are not God, just as the wife is not her husband, and he is not her. 

If there's separated Elohim, how can you say that God is infinite? If God is infinite, then it is not possible to be two Elohims. Because he won't be infinite anymore. If there's one soul that is you separated from God, that means that God is not infinite, because you are not included in him. You are saying that God is not omnipresent and infinite and that's blasphemy. 

:-)

That's not in the Holy Bible.  And I never said that God was not omnipresent and infinite.  You're either deliberately lying or forgetful.

Jesus is the small I am... Jesus is the character, the son of Mary and Joseph, the carpenter. That is Jesus. When Jesus received the Holy Spirit (he become enlightened) he become Jesus Christ. The Christ is the anointed one, that's Jesus when he recognized that he is the son of God and he is also God, because God and him are one. Like you and me. You only have to see. 

Jesus Christ said to the Pharisees in John ch 8, v 58:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

He is the great I AM.  

He was a real person, not just a character.  He had always been enlightened because He had always been God.  The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and caused her to conceive Jesus.  He already knew His name, and that He was the incarnate Son of God.  I believe He already had the Spirit of God with Him.  Christ is indeed the Anointed One.  We are NOT one. 

I repeat:

"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."

John 14:20

That's true for those who belong to Christ.

You have to believe in his words, when Jesus said "believe me" he wasn't saying "believe me that I am going to die so your sins will be forgiven because I will sacrifice myself so you that are separated from God can now be again with him through me"

That was Christ's ultimate aim.  You forgot to mention His triumphant victory over Satan, Death and Hell for our sakes.  He came back to life three days later, and ascended to Heaven after spending forty days with His disciples.  Do I believe in His teachings?  Yes, I do.   

No, there's no part in the Bible where Jesus says that, only his disciples say that. You have to believe his words that we are Gods.

You need to read the Gospels again.  We are NOT "gods".  God deals severely with rulers who are worshiped as gods.  You only have to read about what happened to three of them as recorded in the books of Exodus, Daniel, and Acts.   

Right now, that we think we are separated we are sons of the Devil,

I'm NOT a son of the Devil because God created me in His image.  You've just insulted Him.

because the Devil is the one that took the place of God.

He didn't.

Now we deny him because we say I AM this and that...

Not guilty, m'lud!

and we always were One with God, until the original sin where we wanted to become like GOD,

This is news to me because I didn't exist then, so how could I commit the original sin?

that this is what the Ego/Devil is doing now. Taking the place of God, that's why there's so much misery in the world.

That is what the Enemy is doing through the unregenerate egos of the unbelievers who won't repent of their rebellion toward Christ.   

When we recognize again we are in God, and God in us and that we have to deny ourselves (The Devil) we will see the glory of God and we will be one with him too.

Again, I'm not the Devil, and neither are you.  I'm also NOT God, and neither are you!

 

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Soul-lover 2020

[Anton_Pierre]

@Soul-lover 2020

[abrakamowse]

43 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

That's not in the Holy Bible.  And I never said that God was not omnipresent and infinite.  You're either deliberately lying or forgetful.

You don't understand... you are saying that when you say that we are separated from God.

[Soul-lover 2020]

21 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

You don't understand... you are saying that when you say that we are separated from God.

Abrakamowse,

I do understand.  It's you who doesn't.  Trying to interpret the Judaeo-Christian scriptures through the New Age lens shall only lead to more confusion.  You have to put that to one side, otherwise you'll get nowhere.

Happy searching....

Andrew