No-self to God-Self

[Jkris]

@abrakamowse Iam not self realized so it is Not an advice but in general my observation is religious people are more towards devotion faith and belief.Not my cup of tea.

So direct experience is the best way to realize the truth.

[zeroISinfinity]

Yes only you can do it. Trust your intuition. If you need any help ask Who ever you can. It is really THAT worth it. 

[zeroISinfinity]

13 hours ago, Dodo said:

Je suis, I am. Are you not? You are also the "I am" which Jesus referred to. Also I am that I am. That's his main teaching. Before Abraham was, I am. He was talking about awareness.  Before soul-lover (your relative identity) was, I am (your ultimate identity), before Dodo was, I am. 

We could also say that the I am in all of us is Jesus aka Je suis aka "I am" . 

Yes that's a Good start. But it Will give her wrong idea that "I AM" is localized in body. All these teachings serve as pointers.All work is up to her. 

[zeroISinfinity]

4 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

Ok, any advice?

Stop hiding Truth from yourself ?

[Soul-lover 2020]

18 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

@zeroISinfinity  I think this problem about dogmatism comes mostly from Evangelicals. I tell you because I was evangelical or protestant. Now I realize that this kind of belief is even more dangerous than Catholicism.

The Catholics at least have the mystic side of the church, they don't fully accept them but they are there. I think the orthodox church are closer to the true teachings, IMO.

Luther had good intentions but he made thing go bad really. 

Abrakamowse

The correct approach is to read the Bible with a simple childlike, yet not childish, perspective.  There's no need to complicate things by obsessing about "the consciousness" and "the ego" or "self", and / or interpreting it through the lens of some other religious belief system, e.g. hinduism - "there is nothing but God ", Buddhism, etc.

There's nothing mystical about true Christianity.

Andrea  

[Conrad]

On 19/04/2019 at 0:06 AM, Anton_Pierre said:

The first step is finding the no-self, where you are able to let go of ego, and see perceptions as they are.

The next step is embodying the God-self.

To embody god self, you must become aware of the intelligence which makes all perceptions into being/existence. (The invisible man)

Self -> No-Self -> God-Self

? You however cannot embody the God-Self, the God-Self will by itself embody you and purify you, eliminate the false "I". The God-Self is identical to the Apsolute, and is prior and beyond the mind. 

[Soul-lover 2020]

Why do people here have such a problem with the self / ego?  Here is the definition for ego taken from www.OxfordDictionaries.com:

Definition of ego in English:

EGO

Noun

1 A person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance.

1.1 Psychoanalysis: The part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity.

1.2 Philosophy: (in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.

Origin: Early 19th century: from Latin, literally ‘I’.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nahm]

6 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Why do people here have such a problem with the self / ego?

See what it is. 

Liberate. 

Start with researching the original meaning of the word apocalypse. 

Then contemplate, what is the difference between a belief, and the truth. 

The Bible is best read awake. Same for The Quran, The Gita, etc. 

[Soul-lover 2020]

14 minutes ago, Conrad said:

? You however cannot embody the God-Self, the God-Self will by itself embody you and purify you, eliminate the false "I". The God-Self is identical to the Apsolute, and is prior and beyond the mind. 

Conrad,

There is only one Elohim of God and we're not them.

But keep searching....

Andrea

[Soul-lover 2020]

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

See what it is. 

Liberate. 

Start with researching the original meaning of the word apocalypse. 

Then contemplate, what is the difference between a belief, and the truth. 

The Bible is best read awake.

I've never read the Bible in my sleep.  That's impossible.  

[Conrad]

4 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Conrad,

There is only one Elohim of God and we're not them.

But keep searching....

Andrea

There is only One Apsolute aka God and you and everything is it. Andrea is the illusory character that God is playing out, playing hide and seek. See through "Andrea" and you will find God and that "Andrea" was God too all along. 

[Nahm]

1 minute ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

I've never read the Bible in my sleep.  That's impossible.  

I hear ya. Totally seems like that is true. 

What is the apocalypse? (Pre-hijack)

 

[Soul-lover 2020]

15 minutes ago, Conrad said:

There is only One Apsolute aka God and you and everything is it. Andrea is the illusory character that God is playing out, playing hide and seek. See through "Andrea" and you will find God and that "Andrea" was God too all along. 

Conrad,

My God doesn't play hide and seek.  Does yours?  Yes.  If I was God, then I could hardly hide from myself, now could I? 

Let go of your muddled thinking.

Andrea      

Edited May 2, 2019 by Soul-lover 2020

[Nahm]

5 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

If I was God, then I could hardly hide from myself, now could I?

 

Yes. All you’d have to do, is not look into who you are.

If you do though, first make sure your lifestyle & psychology are disciplined & stable. 

[Conrad]

11 minutes ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Conrad,

My God doesn't play hide and seek.  Does yours?  Yes.  If I was God, then I could hardly hide from myself, now could I?

Let go of your muddled thinking.

Andrea 

 Did not Jesus say that I and the Father are One? Then the Jews tried to stone him and he responded is it not writen in your book that ye are gods?

Jesus was God realized but his followers turned his teachings into distortion. I recommend reading "Misqouting Jesus: The story behind who changed the Bible and why" by Bart Erhman. 

You have a long way of becoming conscious of God and that you are God. 

[jbram2002]

1 hour ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

I've never read the Bible in my sleep.  That's impossible.  

We all think we're awake when we're dreaming.

[abrakamowse]

3 hours ago, Soul-lover 2020 said:

Abrakamowse

The correct approach is to read the Bible with a simple childlike, yet not childish, perspective.  There's no need to complicate things by obsessing about "the consciousness" and "the ego" or "self", and / or interpreting it through the lens of some other religious belief system, e.g. hinduism - "there is nothing but God ", Buddhism, etc.

There's nothing mystical about true Christianity.

Andrea  

I know what you are saying. The understanding is useless before God. I had the strongest epiphany I ever had by asking God to baptize me with the holy spirit. It was crazy, anything I did before was so clear and strong as that revelation I had. That's why I usually don't pay too much attention to what I think or not. God is beyond thinking. We can't understand him with our thoughts, but we can put our thoughts towards him and he will do the work in us.

And the epiphany happened after some days before, I used to sleep listening to the bible, hahaha... it was too much for my mind.

I know that listening to the word can awake you without you doing anything to be awaken, in reality is God who awakens you with his grace.

 

Thanks!

[Soul-lover 2020]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

Yes. All you’d have to do, is not look into who you are.

If you do though, first make sure your lifestyle & psychology are disciplined & stable. 

Nahm,

Am I stable enough to know the difference?  Yes, I am.

I already know myself sufficiently to know that I'm not what you think I am.  The truth about oneself is not out there, it's within. 

Being real is NOT about ceasing to exist, but about being in relationship.  The Holy Spirit of God, is out there and in me, and all who are one in Christ.  We belong one to another, as well as to Him and vice versa.  

Andrea.    

Edited May 2, 2019 by Soul-lover 2020

[abrakamowse]

9 hours ago, Jkris said:

@abrakamowse Iam not self realized so it is Not an advice but in general my observation is religious people are more towards devotion faith and belief.Not my cup of tea.

So direct experience is the best way to realize the truth.

I understand, it depends on our personality. In my case my strongest epiphany was through prayer. That's why I tend to look for it.

But I understand not everyone has the same experiences.

Thanks!

[Soul-lover 2020]

All,

When you look at yourself in a mirror, what do you see?  Do you see a reflection of your SELF, or just an optical illusion of someone who doesn't really exist?  Which is it?

Andrea