My conclusion on the Wage Slavery concept

[Moreira]

3 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

@Moreira

I think of it this way: 

Is there work to do? Yes. Who is supposed to do it? Someone. It can't be neglected.

The people who work are the heroes that build our world, without them you would live in a hole in a ground.

There is a big difference between working a little in order to survive, and being a total slave. Today this nonsense of workinng 9/5 has become something normal. In ancient hunter/gatherer societies people would only work the equivalent of 2 days per week. Thats natural and what makes sense.  Also people builded their houses in months with free materials, while actually we need to slave 15-30 years to buy a house, the system is made to make us slaves, still dont you see it?

And the salaries are enough to survive, but not too high to retire early.

Long job sessions-> shitty life-> high consumerism

[7thLetter]

@Anton Rogachevski

4 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

That's negative motivation. Look for what you do want, and take the necessary steps.

Who cares, its not like I’m going to die if I use negative motivation. I use a combination of both positive and negative motivation, both can be useful tools towards achieving the external results that you want. And don’t reply giving me a list of the downsides of negative motivation, I understand what it is and the downside of it because I’ve experienced it myself. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, both positive and negative motivation have their pros and cons.

And I’m already taking the necessary steps because I go for what I want, I don’t complain and I actually get stuff done. Now I’m finally seeing some results and that's the only thing that matters.

4 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Unfortunately that's a self-centered view on freedom that's based on the value of "comfort", which is not a high value to pursue.

Funny that you’re talking about “comfort.” Working a job falls into the category of “comfort” does it not?

10 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Yes, he does get more, because he contributes, and he's also working much harder than you imagine. There's no free anything, there's a price to everything.

Of course he works harder because he gained a position of power. To get in a position of power takes work. But my whole point is that its most likely just like that with whoever controlled the actual slaves in the past. They had to work to gain a position of power in order to control the slaves.

And another point is that, why are we not the ones in power at our job? That makes us the slaves because we’re not the ones in power and we’re working for someone else’s business for tiny crumbs, hence the term “wage slavery.”

10 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

It might be sad from your interpretation, but are they actually sad? How can you know for sure?

I didn’t say they were sad? Where have I made that assumption

[7thLetter]

@Shiva It sort of bothers me that you’re justifying being an employee, sorry to say.

8 hours ago, Shiva said:

If you want that kind of freedom employment in a big company offers a lot more of that than being self-employed.

As an entrepreneur you have to satisfy your clients, investors and other stakeholders all the time.

I understand that, in mose cases entrepreneurs do work more than employees. Especially if they run a huge company that can probably lead to working 24/7, but that’s mainly if you don’t choose to outsource your work.

Yes a lot of the time self-employment means working with clients, but believe it or not there are other ways of making money that don’t require having clients. And I say that because I’m working on a few things that don’t require that. I don’t really enjoy working with clients, so I lean towards business models that don’t.

Edited April 16, 2019 by 7thLetter

[purerogue]

2 hours ago, 7thLetter said:

@Shiva It sort of bothers me that you’re justifying being an employee, sorry to say.

I understand that, in mose cases entrepreneurs do work more than employees. Especially if they run a huge company that can probably lead to working 24/7, but that’s mainly if you don’t choose to outsource your work.

Yes a lot of the time self-employment means working with clients, but believe it or not there are other ways of making money that don’t require having clients. And I say that because I’m working on a few things that don’t require that. I don’t really enjoy working with clients, so I lean towards business models that don’t.

Which business model does not require clients are you planting trees that have money on them?

 

[7thLetter]

@purerogue Lol nope.

Amazon FBA, not my “life purpose” but that is a business model that doesn’t require clients. Yes customers but that’s different. You put in the hard work in the beginning, then later on it requires less and less time once its live, and when you got your ads running. Amazon handles all the customer support, etc.

Trading Forex, just requires a computer, no human interaction. And that applies to stocks, options, etc. as well.

 

[purerogue]

14 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

@purerogue Lol nope.

Amazon FBA, not my “life purpose” but that is a business model that doesn’t require clients. Yes customers but that’s different. You put in the hard work in the beginning, then later on it requires less and less time once its live, and when you got your ads running. Amazon handles all the customer support, etc.

Trading Forex, just requires a computer, no human interaction. And that applies to stocks, options, etc. as well.

 

I guess it all depends on how you define word client , but they all need people to buy your product which is client to me, I guess you could say that  stocks  do not require clients , kinda , but your whole stock prices are based on how company is doing  with clients, well you are not so much involved in it yourself , so I guess last is fair point, but risky one. 

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by purerogue

[Shadowraix]

Wage slave is a perspective not meant to make you feel depressed and sad about your situation but to be ome aware of all the powers at work and how you can manipulate what you have and work your life situation to better support your life purpose. 

 

[7thLetter]

@purerogue Client in my definition is someone you provide your services to. For example you’re a life coach and you provide coaching services to someone, a client. Or if you sell wholesale, and you sell your products to other businesses, then that would also be a “client.”

I don’t know if I agree with your point with the company doing well with clients, but you aren’t involved in how the company does. You just sit there and analyze charts. And Forex markets don’t move based on how well a company does, it moves mainly based on how the economy does, and you don’t control the economy.

Risky is what everyone says but the 1/10 people will develop the skills necessary to do well. And almost all business is risky anyway.

Edited April 16, 2019 by 7thLetter

[purerogue]

4 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

@purerogue Client in my definition is someone you provide your services to. For example you’re a life coach and provide coaching services to. Or if you sell wholesale, and you sell your products to other businesses, then that would also be a “client.”

I don’t know if I agree with your point with the company doing well with clients, but you aren’t involved in how the company does. You just sit there and analyze charts. And Forex markets don’t move based on how well a company does, it moves mainly based on how the economy does, and you don’t control the economy.

Risky is what everyone says but the 1/10 people will develop the skills necessary to do well. And almost all business is risky anyway.

Sure everything involves risk, but if you have vision I would rather take your vision , instead of play gamble in hope of earning, you probably have higher hopes to get something out of  Casino. 

[7thLetter]

@purerogue Sorry I don’t understand your english there.

[purerogue]

3 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

@purerogue Sorry I don’t understand your english there.

I mean that there is probably more chance to earn by  gambling in casino then FOREX trading and I would rather work on something that has better odds if I was you, something that you are interested in, being interested in money does not = having enjoyable income. 

[7thLetter]

@purerogue See, that’s the average people mentality. All they do is limit themselves and focus on the negatives rather than the positives.

Tell me what you do in life, if you don’t get results then stop talking to me with your broken english.

Edited April 16, 2019 by 7thLetter

[purerogue]

37 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

@purerogue See, that’s the average people mentality. All they do is limit themselves and focus on the negatives rather than the positives.

Tell me what you do in life, if you don’t get results then stop talking to me with your broken english.

I think my logic was very rational, not average persons mentality, I did not say that you must work 9-5 and that having business, or some other form of job is impossible, what I said was you are going for option that  has way to many variables that are not in your control, also that having good income , does not = having good income that you enjoy doing, or leaves with lots of free time, 

Tell your story to 9/10 people who thought same as you and did not make it,  if you think that you can't live proper life without having your perfect settings go for it, but your odds are rather small my friend, better luck next life. 

Edited April 16, 2019 by purerogue

[7thLetter]

@purerogue Tell me this, have you tried trading? That’s the only thing that matters right now. Have you tried and committed to it? If not then no one cares about your little opinion. Just like everything else, it takes time and effort to become good. Trading is a skill you can develop, that is what no one here understands. Just like marketing is a skill, just like web development, etc. it all takes TIME. It can take years to become a good trader, you don’t just jump in without not knowing what to do.

My opinion is more valid than people who don’t know a THING about trading. You literally said trading depends on how the company does with their clients. That literally makes no sense.

And you haven’t told me what you do in life, tell me what you do. If you have a successful business, if you’ve done years of meditation, if you’re in shape and eat really healthy then I care about your opinion. If not, then I don’t care.

[7thLetter]

@Shiva I already understand everything you just said. I never said it was my life purpose, I never said I would rely on it for my entire life, I never said it wasn’t competitive.

And it sounds like you’re speaking from the assumption that I don’t know anything about it. I’m currently on my second product after my first one failed. First one failed because I jumped into it without learning. Although even though it failed, its done over $650 in slow sales, 1 unit every 2-3 days for a $34.95 product.

Now I’ve got the courses, plus I track how much time I actually put into it with the “Toggl” app. Currently I’m at 31 hours just with this second product. And that’s probably over a span of a month or two. At first it requires a lot of time doing product research, creating the listing, negotiating with suppliers, product package design, etc. But once its live, the main thing you have to focus on now is PPC advertising. Figuring out which keywords convert and which don’t and are costing you money. Which doesn’t take 5 hours, it can be less than 2 hours a day.

Yes the US marketplace is getting more competitive, but that doesn’t mean you can’t find more opportunities. You have to do hours of product research to find a product with low competition. And notice how I said US marketplace. You can expand into the UK, Canada, etc. which have less competition, and is still in its infancy.

Amazon deals with customer support. I literally bought my own product recently to take pictures of it and it got lost in transit. Who gave me the refund, and who dealed with my own order? Fuckin’ Rahul J from the Amazon support team whoever that is, not me.

Amazon to me is a means to an end. Which it should be for everyone pursuing it.

[7thLetter]

@Shiva And sorry for being so blunt on this thread. I’m just an angry youth writing views. Drake reference anyone? Nvm.

[purerogue]

10 minutes ago, 7thLetter said:

@purerogue Tell me this, have you tried trading? That’s the only thing that matters right now. Have you tried and committed to it? If not then no one cares about your little opinion. Just like everything else, it takes time and effort to become good. Trading is a skill you can develop, that is what no one here understands. Just like marketing is a skill, just like web development, etc. it all takes TIME. It can take years to become a good trader, you don’t just jump in without not knowing what to do.

My opinion is more valid than people who don’t know a THING about trading. You literally said trading depends on how the company does with their clients. That literally makes no sense.

And you haven’t told me what you do in life, tell me what you do. If you have a successful business, if you’ve done years of meditation, if you’re in shape and eat really healthy then I care about your opinion. If not, then I don’t care.

My main  point is if you can't handle failure, fact that you might never achieve your goals, or that things might turn out not to be as you thought they will be, you will have set yourself to have sad life.Now you have all these fairy tail stories in your head of what it will be like, they are nothing more then stories in your head, nothing of this has happened and nothing of this is said to be as you imagined it.

Take care, I hope you can be happy one day. 

[now is forever]

On 14.4.2019 at 7:14 PM, Anton Rogachevski said:

In the last couple of months I went deeper into that concept and tried to see if it's of any use, and what I see now, is that it's a narrow and negative narrative based thinking that leads to frustration and a general lack of muse.

I say that only because prior to thinking whether I was enslaved or not I was free. It's only the thought of being "enslaved" that can enslave you. If you think in terms of what you can't do, you will always see limitations, but should you really? Should you actively try and prove to yourself that you are not free? I say no, you really shouldn't!

If you feel free right now, and you stumble upon such notions as "wage slavery", it's better to avoid it. That's negative motivation, and it won't help you go deeper on your journey towards life purpose. In fact I'm so uninspired right now that I temporarily paused the work on Leo's course.

it’s because you limit your perspective on yourself. you get uninspired because you are uninspired. did you ever have a look over the edge of your plate?

it‘s empty now. maybe time to see what colour the salad has. carrots are out today...obviously. 

it‘s very comfortable in slavery until there is no food anymore.

[7thLetter]

@purerogue What is this guy even talking about?

I’ve failed for 5 years pursuing entrpreneurship, and I still persist. I’m finally seeing little results. All you’re doing is making assumptions about me.

Plus you’re not even telling me what you do, probably nothing cause all you’re doing is talking down on other people to make yourself feel better.

I’m not making up any fairy tales, there are people who actually develop their trading skills and get results.

[Truth Addict]

@Anton Rogachevski

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. It was my bad.

Anyway, I prefer being independent from external motivators, because they're changing all the time.

I've missed your threads and posts my friend, I've always admired your views and visions. I hope we see more of that.

Have a great day!