PUA courses

[Alex bAlex]

Have you taken a PUA course?

If yes, which one and how satisfy are you with the result? Which one would you recommend? 

Any course or PUA to be avoided?

Many thanks 

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[Girzo]

Yes, The Natural by RSD Max Berger.

I am very satisfied with the results. This course is a full package, guiding you through every step and giving clear calls to action. It covers everything from having the right mindset, through teaching you needed skillsets, to showing everything LIVE in action. Two areas where it lacks are relationship management and sex instructions, but there's already a lot of information on these topics on the web and the rookie doesn't really need it.

I had studied quite a bit of dating advice before doing this course with little to no results. So it was a gamechanger for me, as finally everything started to click after watching it.

The System by Todd Valentine also seems like a good resource, but I haven't tried it personally.

[JohnnyBravo]

Yes.

Free 45 minute YouTube video from Sasha Daygame about 6 years ago or so.

No course required.

I watched the video, and began seeing more 'results' with women in the 4 months post watching that video compared to my entire life.

Please note, many of the courses on Pickup are about money and marketing. A course will not substitute real experience whatsoever. You already have enough prior reference experience and intellectunal knowledge on dating.

The late (and early) Zan Perrion, will tell you, there is no need to buy a course, do a seminar, take a workshop. You have all the tools. I am not a big fan of Zan Perrion- he is too lost in the clouds to be able to relate to him. Unlike Leo who you can relate to and explains things so you understand, Zan is too poetic and not on this earth; he is enlightened with women, but he is flying in the sky and therefore is of little help to the men despite his good intent to share knowledge.

Please note again!- Sasha Daygame is beyond pickup now, He does not focus on women, he is into the spirituality aspect. He is not very popular, but alas, the rare gems in this world are never properly appreciated by the public. The above video was him in his marketing prime with dating and back when pickup was multidimensional with many different men, NOT JUST THE SOUP OF R.S.D.

A good pickup teacher will directly explain to you that pickup is superficial- the type of person you are, is the only decent thing.

Another gem in this world, and very few men will take the time to understand him because of his unique ordinariness- is Johnny Soporno. In the below clip you can appreciate that self-esteem/knowing you are good enough is 100% of game. He goes on in other videos about how shame, guilt and neutroic self-doubt I deliberalty conditioned into men (and women) to deliberately make them feel they are not good enough as people, not good enough to date, not good enough for love, not good enough for sex, not good enough to feel confident, not good enough to meet God, and that society has DELIBERATLY MADE IT THAT WAY!

After all!! If men feel inferior with dating, then...…..welcome all these dating and pickup courses!! $$$ They benefit. You lose money, and on top of that still wont feel good enough because a course will not replace self-worth or respect.

Yes, I have an agenda- My agenda is to make sure you do not buy a course, because, I want you to know that YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH and you deserve self respect and dignity. If you attain these qualities, then by all means, then go and buy all the courses on pickup you like.

 

[JohnnyBravo]

Johhny Soporno is my God beautiful, because, he was from the era when pickup was a COMMUNITY, with a heart desire to help men, before pickup became a MARKETING culture which is what it is now.

Also above, Steve Piccus, whom I am not a fan of at all, does share that back in the formations of the 'community' there was an aspect of brotherhood, helpfulness, mentoring, and intent to help men meet wives and girlfriends; men that have tried everything they have and failed.

RSD and modern pickup does NOT have this quality of genuine, gentle care.

And no, not saying back then every person or guru that did pickup had purely good intentions, far from it. They were egos of the greatest devil. But the theme of community and council was merited and worthy.

Back then, the only way to get into pickup was to be MENTORED. A mentor CARES about you sincerely without asking for money.

Modern pickup does not have this care. That is the only reason I do not endorse you buy a course.

[RawJudah]

You don't have to pay for any PUA courses, all the information you need is free on youtube.  

You also have to realise that mostly these PUA guys are just businesses. Don't be fooled by thinking they care about you asa human being lol.

I would  recommend 'James Tusk' on YouTube. But to hire him for a week you have to pay £4,000.00. And for a WhatsApp add you have to pay him £500.00

So let that be a warning to ya

[Alex bAlex]

@Girzo Does the course focus only on night/club game or it can be applied on day game as well. Also, have you experience growth in other areas like productivity, organising, financial, etc...? 

 

@JohnnyBravo Sure, I am aware that all pick-up is based on marketing but drilling down the internet without a clear map can waste you lots of time and most of the time the information presented is incomplete (or at least that's how I see it). Plus, even if I get over the initial phrase and get her number, I suck at texting and following up.  Then watching all those free videos can be nice, but you know that when you pay for something, you tend to give it more value, thus motivating you to take action. I know that the motivation has to be intrinsic but I am still in the newbie sector Thank you for sharing- -Saha and Johny-- it's a bit challenging these days to find some quality information.  About Steve P ...he's funny a funny fucker :))   

 

@RawJudah I have watched a few clips of James before and he seems genuine. I am thinking to buy his texting pack for £79 I think, as I do not have any texting skills.  I guess if you want to learn something you have to give something, Ain't such a thing as free meals

 

Thank you all for your replies 

[Girzo]

1 hour ago, Alex bAlex said:

Does the course focus only on night/club game or can it be applied on day game as well?

 

Day and night game.

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Also, have you experience growth in other areas like productivity, organising , financial, etc...? 

Of course not. Every single one of the areas you have mentioned would deserve a course on its own. I am talking about the direct impact. Indirectly, yes, there could be some influence, as with any self-help course.

When you buy a course you don't pay for the information that's freely available, but for the way it's structured and presented to you.

[Alex bAlex]

1 minute ago, Girzo said:

When you buy a course you don't pay for the information that's freely available, but for the way it's structured and presented to you

Thanks  

[JohnnyBravo]

@Alex bAlex

Thats cool.

Johhny Soporno still does coaching online very cheaply.

I would advise to get coaching if you have the money- he wont be coaching for much longer and youll have the experience of speaking with an old timer of the community.

Its either that or take a Mystery bootcamp!