I dont get how reality is "too good to be true"

[Jkris]

@Leo Gura Leo no matter what we try to think God creation is beyond the tiny human mind's intelligence.Whats the point in all these ?

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you are are overlooking is that creation IS constraint, IS limitation. God has not constraints, he can create whatever he wants, but once he's created it, that thing must be a certain way. God cannot create a chicken and then have it bark like a dog. To be a chicken means: can't bark like a dog. The vocal cords of a chicken cannot bark. This is not a limit on God's power. He made it that way! He doesn't want chickens to bark. They got other stuff to do.

The design constraints are not placed upon God. God places the design constraints in the process of creation so that creation works harmonious with itself. If God created animals without suffering, those animals would not live long enough to breed. So he could do that, just like you could punch yourself in the nuts, but he's not stupid enough to do it.

 

[Leo Gura]

@Jkris The point is to deepen your understanding. Some people will get it. One day it will click for you. Then you'll see the point.

[now is forever]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you are are overlooking is that creation IS constraint, IS limitation. God has not constraints, he can create whatever he wants, but once he's created it, that thing must be a certain way. God cannot create a chicken and then have it bark like a dog. To be a chicken means: can't bark like a dog. The vocal cords of a chicken cannot bark. This is not a limit on God's power. He made it that way! He doesn't want chickens to bark. They got other stuff to do.

The design constraints are not placed upon God. God places the design constraints in the process of creation so that creation works harmonious with itself. If God created animals without suffering, those animals would not live long enough to breed. So he could do that, just like you could punch yourself in the nuts, but he's not stupid enough to do it.

Stop assuming that suffering must be eliminated from the design, as if it's a parasite. Suffering is not some extraneous thing, it's there by design FOR YOUR GOOD! By seeking to eradicate suffering from the world you are fucking with God's design and unwittingly turning his heaven into hell.

Suffering isn't a bug, it's a feature.

there are people who don’t feel physical pain, they just don’t and they don’t learn to keep away from heat so they burn themselves severely and they bump into various kinds of objects permanently - they often die at a young age. 

every pain and suffering is there to keep the system alive or to strive to survive. it’s there to keep a balance. but if too much suffering happens - it’s a sign of imbalance of a system - you could say a system is out of balance if it doesn’t listen to the pain anymore. but it is also out of balance if there is only pain.

suffering can tell us a lot about a system.

Edited April 1, 2019 by now is forever

[legendary]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you are are overlooking is that creation IS constraint, IS limitation. God has not constraints, he can create whatever he wants, but once he's created it, that thing must be a certain way.

 

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The design constraints are not placed upon God. God places the design constraints in the process of creation so that creation works harmonious with itself.

@Leo Gura this sounds very similar to the points made by Tom Campbell about our evolved Reality and the rule-set that governs it.

The other point about Reality being the best possible outcome out of all possible permutations and combinations also aligns with his assertions about 'entropy reduction'.

Lastly, he maintains that without suffering, there'd be no reason for humans to improve themselves, self-actualize and turn to spirituality, thereby contributing to the total Goodness (entropy reduction).

Would you say that your direct experiences have led you to believe that there is truth to his Theory of Everything?

[tsuki]

31 minutes ago, Jkris said:

They don't say there is no such thing as God but say the Totallity the total universe is God.
It is not a poetry or art.

It is. The purpose of art is to take a piece of yourself, work on it until it's beautiful and then discard it.
Have you ever heard an enlightened master hammer the same thing over and over?
If so, stop listening to this madman because he can't find himself beautiful.

[now is forever]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What happens when you transcend the understanding instead of worrying about deepening it?

you‘ll stop to learn.

[tsuki]

5 minutes ago, now is forever said:

you‘ll stop to learn.

Can you? Would you? Have you not learned when you were a 'mindless' child?

[now is forever]

2 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Can you? Would you? Have you not learned when you were a 'mindless' child?

where we talking about transcending the mind or transcending suffering? you also don’t understand - it’s a paradox. because how can you transcend suffering?

[tsuki]

@now is forever By realizing that there was no suffering to begin with.

[now is forever]

11 minutes ago, tsuki said:

@now is forever By realizing that there was no suffering to begin with.

that might be true for some bubbles.

if we talk about transcending and not transcending, it‘s not about clinging to pain though. but transcending the pain of the past, heavy like stone to react to the pain of the now more accurately.

Edited April 1, 2019 by now is forever

[tsuki]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Now now tsuki, where's Mandy when we need her to set you straight!

Don't worry Joseph, you're a part of my harem. No need to be jeaous, mkay?

[Aakash]

I just had an awakening SECOND, literally a second where i had a break through of disidentifying with my body mind, and lost the identification I, 

there is  a design because the thought that you are an i, is the very delusion itself. There is no i, at the end of self -inquiry when you try to identify the I, its no longer localised and you can't find it, because you realise it was never there. There is no you, 

so what happens at this point? 

well its almost like i merged with the design

for example, i went to pick up my tea, but it was all done through reaction and causation links, i.e neurone response, i never actually was the one drinking the tea, it was like being aware of god's design, without even calling it a design, it was just happening 

if i hyperextend that mode with my logic now and bring back my mind into it 

now i've seen the design, i would say that suffering is important to let us know that what is important is important.

[tsuki]

20 minutes ago, now is forever said:

if we talk about transcending and not transcending, it‘s not about clinging to pain though. but transcending the pain of the past, heavy like stone to react to the pain of the now more accurately.

Time is a delusion.

[now is forever]

9 minutes ago, tsuki said:

Time is a delusion.

yeah, that’s why i‘m off now  

and by the way @Aakash what‘s important sometimes changes but there is only one real importance that’s truely infinite. ?

Edited April 1, 2019 by now is forever

[tsuki]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Oh ree hee hee ley tsuki?  Go make me some rice and tell me time is a delusion.

When is the right time to look at a watch?
Do you look at the watch to know when is the time to look at the watch?

[tsuki]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

20 mins after boil and after put lid on, using my pot, 1 cup rice, 2 cups water, raise to boil, lower to simmer.

@Joseph Maynor Now that's a koan.

[Jkris]

@Joseph Maynor ???

[Aakash]

@now is forever by that i mean only important for the survival of reality itself, for invidual perspective that means, whats important to our own survival, 

your going to have to remind me, whats the one thing thats truly infinite  

awareness/god 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, legendary said:

 

@Leo Gura this sounds very similar to the points made by Tom Campbell about our evolved Reality and the rule-set that governs it.

The other point about Reality being the best possible outcome out of all possible permutations and combinations also aligns with his assertions about 'entropy reduction'.

Lastly, he maintains that without suffering, there'd be no reason for humans to improve themselves, self-actualize and turn to spirituality, thereby contributing to the total Goodness (entropy reduction).

Would you say that your direct experiences have led you to believe that there is truth to his Theory of Everything?

Sounds in the right ballpark. I don't remember all the details of his theory. But Tom Campbell is not fully awake. His theory states that time is fundamental, which is false. He also says that reality is finite, which is false. He does not have a good understanding of infinity. He's still thinking of reality too much in physicist terms.

With that said, his work is full of valuable and practical insights. It's just not the highest teaching or truth. Which is okay, but Absolute Infinity blows all that out of the water.

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What happens when you transcend the understanding instead of worrying about deepening it?  Just food for thought.  I know this goes against your entire paradigm of how you think things are best approached.  It's like trying to feed a cat a can of Bud Light.

You have much, much left to understand, grasshopper. Don't get cute with me.

[Truth Addict]

@Leo Gura 

What do you mean God is good without an opposite?

Good for whom? You taught in the past that good vs evil is a duality, and now goodness is all there is.

I expect you mean goodness=existence, while evil=non-existence.