can we really go beyond our animalistic nature?

[Viking]

*im not talking about myself, im talking generally

I am talking specifically about loneliness, lack of interaction with people. no friends, no girlfriend. Most people get depressed, because it's in our genes to be social. can one really go beyond those needs? and if he can, how the fuck can he do that? I think it's like eating or getting sunlight, you can't just stop eating, the same way, you cant just stop having social interactions and "get over it".

That is only true i guess if one still believes he's an ego, if the ego fades, i guess loneliness cant be. But as long as I believe I am an ego, I WILL experience loneliness definitely, if im not exposed to social connection for long periods of time.

edit: actually, maybe if the ego fades the body could potentially still experience loneliness, is that true? I think it could be the case. I feel energetic pain when i lack human interaction, it's not just mental.

Edited March 23, 2019 by Viking

[Nahm]

What do you honestly think about loneliness?  

[Viking]

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

What do you honestly think about loneliness?  

Very honestly, loneliness for me comes without even the involvement of the mind. it just happens when im not interacting with people. i put the label 'loneliness' for a certain unpleasant feeling and mood which i have. it's like hunger, i feel the feeling of hunger when i dont eat, same with this.

[Nahm]

@Viking So you feel it, it’s more of a sensation than over thinking? 

[Viking]

1 minute ago, Nahm said:

@Viking So you feel it, it’s more of a sensation than over thinking? 

definitely, that affects my whole mental frame, like when you're really hungry you cant do anything but look for food

Edited March 23, 2019 by Viking

[Shadowraix]

See how far you can go! It's reprogramming the mind. 

[Nahm]

@Viking Is it happening to you, or is it a sensation...which you are aware of?

[Jack River]

Just now, Nahm said:

@Viking Is it happening to you, or is it a sensation...which you are aware of?

That’s a great question

[Viking]

4 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Viking Is it happening to you, or is it a sensation...which you are aware of?

I would describe it as a state of mind, which, yeah, I am aware of, though in this state of mind, the thoughts are functioning differently, there is no desire to do things that i planned to do. The problem here is not whether i am suffering or not or whether im identifying with that state of mind, but what i am able to do and how i think and how i feel and what are the judgements about the feeling, etc.

edit: by "i" i mean what is present in awareness

Edited March 23, 2019 by Viking

[Jack River]

Are you in anyway in opposition to this activity of mind?

Edited March 23, 2019 by Jack River

[Viking]

3 minutes ago, Jack River said:

Are you in anyway in opposition to this activity of mind?

the mind opposes to this activity of mind because it desires for the reality to be the best it could be. it wants to figure out how it can be the best off with least delusion and closest to truth.

edit: that's also not the problem, the problem is, is there a state of mind in which im not interacting with people, but the state of mind is positive.

Edited March 23, 2019 by Viking

[Jack River]

Just now, Viking said:

the mind opposes to this activity of mind because it desires for the reality to be the best it could be. it wants to figure out how it can be the best off with least delusion and closest to truth.

Desires security. Although avoidance of delusion is not first on the list as priority. But I think I see what you mean.  

Your edited part at the end...

what is present in awareness..what do you think?

[Viking]

1 minute ago, Jack River said:

Your edited part at the end...

what is present in awareness..what do you think?

what do you mean?

[Jack River]

 

9 minutes ago, Viking said:

edit: by "i" i mean what is present in awareness

This part 

[Viking]

1 minute ago, Jack River said:

 

This part 

what's present in awareness i meant thoughts, feelings, judgements. i meant it's not like "i" feel them, but they're just present

Edited March 23, 2019 by Viking

[Jack River]

Just now, Viking said:

what's present in awareness i meant thoughts, feelings, judgements

Oh I see...mind. A co-arising activity. All interconnected in association. 

 

[Nahm]

27 minutes ago, Viking said:

loneliness for me comes without even the involvement of the mind.

 

16 minutes ago, Viking said:

I would describe it as a state of mind

Is it mind or is it a sensation you are aware of?

[Viking]

1 minute ago, Nahm said:

Is it mind or is it a sensation you are aware of?

both

what i meant there that the mind doesnt trigger the loneliness. the loneliness changes the state of mind

Edited March 23, 2019 by Viking

[Jack River]

When you are with another being do you feel you project your own mind activity onto them? 

It will be subtle

Edited March 23, 2019 by Jack River

[Viking]

3 minutes ago, Jack River said:

When you are with another being do you feel you project your own mind activity onto them? 

It will be subtle

obviously, i have to know who they are, etc. but there is also new information coming in which is not of my mind, and thats what counts.