Realization doesn’t need any knowledge

[Big Guru Balls]

Just takes eyes to see. 

 

 

[Highest]

True. Being conscious and aware is the real deal. Find out who the illusory knower actually is and it will dissolve. 

[Gabriel Antonio]

Good luck with that approach...

[SOUL]

I would even draw a distinction between knowledge, which is the accumulated understanding of information, compared to knowing, which I would call the intimate direct experience.

Realization awakens 'knowing' and simultaneously doesn't need knowledge.

[Jkris]

@Highest that's interesting. The knower is the awareness and it is not illusionary is what i am thinking so for. 

The perceiver is not the perceived. 

[Big Guru Balls]

I think it was @who chit that mentioned having right intent when seeking realization. It's that "unconditional investment" Sadhguru's talking about.

Right intent means unconditional investment.

 

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Thanks for this video.  

[Big Guru Balls]

26 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I love this video

 

Yeah,this was pretty good. Thanks for posting. 

[who chit]

1 hour ago, Big Guru Balls said:

Right intent means unconditional investment.

Yep.
Truth for no other reason than Truth. It's when realizing Truth overrides all concern for the preservation of one's identity or sense of self.

[Highest]

6 hours ago, Jkris said:

@Highest that's interesting. The knower is the awareness and it is not illusionary is what i am thinking so for. 

The perceiver is not the perceived. 

@Highest

No, awareness comes prior to the knower and is aware of the '' knower''. 

[Highest]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Awareness is a concept.

 Okay, I can see that 

Edited March 20, 2019 by Highest

[Highest]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Mooji says something like there is no tree inside a tree, there is no brain inside a brain, there is no hand inside a hand.

Well, there is no being inside of being.

? But mooji also says that the Self is Everything and that is pretty much like what you refer to as Being. Do you agree with that? 

[Highest]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

No, I don't agree with that.  That's where I think Mooji is mistaken.

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

No I don't agree with that.  That's where I think Mooji is mistaken.

That tells me that you are not non-dualy conscious enough. Every sage and guru agree that the Self is Everything. 

[FoxFoxFox]

7 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

I really like where Sadhgurur says "there are questions in the universe without the intellect." Honestly (and IMO) most gurus and people who are enlightened are very quick to dismiss stuff as ideas and concepts and not giving them the light of the day. Of course having experienced the transcendental consciousness when its peaceful, i can attest to the reality of their claims at that intensity of vibration. But most people don't talk about the experience of the transcendental being itself. Considering how diverse and mindblowing it is, i'm surprised. Maybe most people don't experience the Self like I do, but it's as if enlightened beings are sometimes afraid of letting go of their enlightenment. I could be a deluded fool though. It's just my understanding. 

[Highest]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Not the Zen Masters.  That's why Zen is the highest teaching.

We can agree to disagree ??

[Highest]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Ok, but your non-dual metaphysics is not the be-all-end-all for Enlightenment nor the one true litmus-test for Enlightenment.

Okay, we all have our own unuqie perspectives etc etc. Keep doing your thing, I will keep doing my thing. ??

[Highest]

10 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It just bugs me when people assume that you have to believe in the official "Non-Dual Metaphysics" to be Enlightened.  That goes against the whole concept of Enlightenment for me insofar as I'm concerned.  Enlightenment is not a shared paradigm that everybody learns from reading the same textbook.  When I hear people spout those same cookie-cutter non-dual metaphysical beliefs, I cringe a little bit and die a little bit inside.  They sound like a bunch of robots who watched the same after-school special on TV about Enlightenment.  Enlightenment ain't no after school special, I can tell you that!  You're not gonna become Enlightened by learning the one right theory of anything.  That will actually take you 500 miles in the opposite direction from Enlightenment.

That's your perspective and that's okay. My perspective is that of total non-duality. Again we have all our own perspectives. You should respect that and understand it. 

[Highest]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

I do respect that actually.  But I also stand by what I said too.

??

[SOUL]

Even no concept and no belief is a conceptual belief and even truth is a conceptual belief. This is the type of guru doublespeak that points to someone else's conceptual belief as an illusion and calls their own as the truth. That sort of word dance is the game one plays when trying to be 'right' and having the 'truth' while telling other's they are 'wrong' and 'illusion'.

It isn't that there is no conceptual belief that passes through perception at all which makes for the awakened experience that people call the conceptual belief of 'enlightenment'. It's the attachment to that conceptual belief which may cause self suffering in the one it passes through. If a conceptual belief is enshrined as truth it has the power to cause suffering to the one that empowers it.

Someone perceptive might say to me 'aha, are you not calling your own truth and another's an illusion'? I'll reply that it's all conceptual belief that passes through perception, even my own perspective but it doesn't cause self suffering because I do not enshrine my perspective as truth. It's a momentary perspective and awakening is the presence of being in the moment not the perspective's contents in that moment.

Awakening to oneness will have infinite perspectives of perception to experience in infinite moments of now to experience them but isn't any one of them, all of them or none of them. It's the being present in the moment of perceiving, not what passes through as the content of the perception. Our presence of being allows for whatever passes through perception to be as it is but don't build a shrine to any of it.

Realization is awakening to presence of being in the moment, knowledge is what passes through the perception and is expressed infinitely. Attaching to any of it can cause self suffering through our enshrining it as truth but don't enshrine this realization either....let it be what it is.