If everything else is an illusion, why does Leo make videos?

[LastThursday]

19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Your actions spoke and gave you away

Careful now, there were no actions and no speaking, just words on a screen. Words which you interpreted and reacted to. Don't get lost in the @Shin fantasy.

10 minutes ago, Shin said:

You're still highly deluded and that's the reason I'm an ass to you,

Don't get too lost in the @Joseph Maynor fantasy, even if you enjoy it.

 

 

[tedens]

Too much advises? It means that you have to grow on your own expieriences.

[Shin]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Ok.  Well I guess it takes one to know one.  Have a good day.

There is only two person I'm that direct with,

Me and my best friend.

And obviously the reason is not hate ...

 

 

[Key Elements]

Back to the topic question. Whatever a person say or do, the person can only become a pointer to truth. Truth is not taught; it's realized. It's hard to point to truth if the person never became truth. Yes, Leo did attempt to point to truth several times and tries to apply it in real life.

[Shaun]

I have noticed that Leo does contradict himself a lot too. In one of his videos I remember him giving a metaphor about how consciousness is like a sponge and each of us are like the empty spaces or bubbles in it. In his more recent videos he is basically saying he is the only bubble and he created the whole thing. I know this is all just mental masturbation and it just leads to arguments but I still feel that it should be discussed. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Shaun

[Big Guru Balls]

I've only ever watched 3 of his vids, and to me he's not really sharing or teaching anything that hasn't already been taught for millennia by the truly enlightened .To me he's just sharing what he's read and learned from them,mixed with his own practical experience, insights, and interpretation. But to give credit where credit is due,he's also putting in the effort to realize it for himself. Imo,if that happens in a big way he won't be teaching the way we know or see it now (intellectual knowledge and or theory),, but from a reality that has awakened deep within the heart/core of his being, and is far beyond the intellect.

Imo,,he's a virtual encyclopedia of sound, spiritual theory and in that regard,a good resource for anyone looking for a solid theoretical base in which to start from.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Big Guru Balls

[Shaun]

 I suppose that's a good way to put it and maybe I have been taking Leo's words far too literally. I have been spending so long basically thinking that nothing else exists in any way shape or form whatsoever. I hope Leo does a video on nihilism soon because that too will be useful.

[FoxFoxFox]

@Shaun Because everything is not an illusion. There is so many different dimensions to this life that calling it illusion is unnecessarily dismissive. You can self-realize and experience your true nature as peace. All you have to do for that is to stop using the mind to confine experience into logical equations. You can detach fully from life and experience it as a meaningless void. You can blow out your sensory limits and experience metaphysical phenomena. You can cling to your body and your ego and experience the dimension time. All of this is possible. 

Let's call any of these modes of existence a dimension.

The issue is that people who operate at different dimensions tend to label the experience of others who live in other dimensions as illusion. But it isn't so. No matter what your reality is, it is still reality. It is God.

Hence one definition of enlightenment: the realization that there has never been ignorance in the first place. 

[Shaun]

On 3/18/2019 at 10:38 PM, Nahm said:

Leo discovered he is The All That Is, and it is Love. He discovered he can do whatever he wants, and it doesn’t matter. He has chosen to help everyone in the world discover this real Joy and Peace, and you’re thinking there is something more worthwhile he should be doing....?      Define for yourself what that is that he should be doing, and do that!

That is as contradiction though as he literally said that nobody else exists. There is nobody else there having their own experience of life according to him. And with that, there is nobody to help. I find the whole thing absurd and confusing.

[Shaun]

5 hours ago, FoxFoxFox said:

@Shaun Because everything is not an illusion. There is so many different dimensions to this life that calling it illusion is unnecessarily dismissive. You can self-realize and experience your true nature as peace. All you have to do for that is to stop using the mind to confine experience into logical equations. You can detach fully from life and experience it as a meaningless void. You can blow out your sensory limits and experience metaphysical phenomena. You can cling to your body and your ego and experience the dimension time. All of this is possible. 

Let's call any of these modes of existence a dimension.

The issue is that people who operate at different dimensions tend to label the experience of others who live in other dimensions as illusion. But it isn't so. No matter what your reality is, it is still reality. It is God.

Hence one definition of enlightenment: the realization that there has never been ignorance in the first place. 

I think a part of me still knows that. I would like Leo to reply to this when he returns from the retreat but I kind of know what he will tell me.

[Nahm]

@Shaun It’s not confusing if you accept you’re dreaming right now.

[Shaun]

4 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Shaun It’s not confusing if you accept you’re dreaming right now.

Leo isn't dreaming though. He has had many awakening experiences and may be close to enlightenment yet he still wants to help people who he says do not exist, who are figments of his imagination. The only motivation for doing this that I can see is to ensure his survival within the empty meaningless projection called reality which he created.

[Shaun]

7 minutes ago, David Hammond said:

Everything exists, but it's is no-thing (meaning it cannot be grasped or categorised). Another word for no-thingness is the Buddhist term "emptiness". In Buddhism it is said that emptiness is form. It all exists, but it exists as no-thing (ungrapsapable).

We cannot step into the same river twice. We can go to a river and swim in it every day and our mind will say that we bathe in the same river daily. But the water that makes up the river is actually never the same. However the human mind cannot grasp this, so it has to freeze the dynamic nothingness into a form that it can handle.

That's what I have heard the majority of enlightened people saying and that makes sense somewhat but Leo isn't enlightened yet and his claims are a bit different to what Osho, Thich Nhat hanh, Rupert Spira and others say.

[Nahm]

@Shaun You. Are. Dreaming. Right. Now. 

[Shin]

4 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Shaun You. Are. Dreaming. Right. Now. 

 

 

 

[Shaun]

I get that this may be funny for you and I can understand that but please see that I am going through a very difficult existential crisis with all of this and I am seeking help as it has caused me to suffer from depression which may go on to psychosis if left unchecked. Please understand how destructive the idea that the computer in front of me right now as well as the rest of my family actually have no form of existence whatsoever. That shit can really mess people up and I hope that nobody has committed suicide after watching some of the deeper stuff Leo creates.

[now is forever]

On 19.3.2019 at 2:43 PM, Shaun said:

I have noticed that Leo does contradict himself a lot too. In one of his videos I remember him giving a metaphor about how consciousness is like a sponge and each of us are like the empty spaces or bubbles in it. In his more recent videos he is basically saying he is the only bubble and he created the whole thing. I know this is all just mental masturbation and it just leads to arguments but I still feel that it should be discussed. 

no you overheard in the spongevideo that the bubble is like a sponge and the sponge is like a bubble it’s a spongebubble.

you are in that bubble but the bubble is also you and you are a sponge that sponges up bubbles since you where born. but you are the only creator of that bubble.

Edited March 20, 2019 by now is forever

[Nahm]

21 minutes ago, Shaun said:

I get that this may be funny for you and I can understand that but please see that I am going through a very difficult existential crisis with all of this and I am seeking help as it has caused me to suffer from depression which may go on to psychosis if left unchecked. Please understand how destructive the idea that the computer in front of me right now as well as the rest of my family actually have no form of existence whatsoever. That shit can really mess people up and I hope that nobody has committed suicide after watching some of the deeper stuff Leo creates.

What is it you think caused your ‘existential crisis’ & ‘depression’ and ‘psychosis’? It’s actually your perspective. 

You’re saying a video did this? Your perspective on what you watched. 

Who’s saying the truth is ‘destructive’?  You

Who’s saying ‘your family actually have no form of existence’? You

You about ready to inspect these beliefs? The Truth will set you free. 

[Shin]

17 minutes ago, now is forever said:

you are in that bubble but the bubble is also you and you are a sponge that sponges up bubbles since you where born.

 

 

[Shaun]

12 minutes ago, Nahm said:

What is it you think caused your ‘existential crisis’ & ‘depression’ and ‘psychosis’? It’s actually your perspective. 

You’re saying a video did this? Your perspective on what you watched. 

Who’s saying the truth is ‘destructive’?  You

Who’s saying ‘your family actually have no form of existence’? You

You about ready to inspect these beliefs? The Truth will set you free. 

I'm inspecting them. Every day. It was Leo that said that nothing exists though. I could find the video. Or are you saying that Leo is me and I am him so technically I did say that nothing exists whatsoever?