Mooji just exposed as a abusuve cult leader?

[Salvijus]

@luckieluuke ??

[Aaron p]

8 hours ago, Jed Vassallo said:

This article (from 2 days ago) was very heartbreaking and disappointing for me to read. Mooji is one of the most popular living enlightenment teachers in the world. There is only a small handful, and out of that small handful he seemed like one of the most universally beloved. He seemed like the living embodiment of what is possible when one become fully enlightened. Or so I thought. 

So if this is true, the whole enlightenment movement just took a major hit.

https://gurumag.com/becoming-god-inside-moojis-portugal-cult/?fbclid=IwAR2wM1q4uhgIdJHQjtoKti55tIph_hmTT6NionKBOH7QaJ8HUt2TMwX39Sc

@Jed VassalloVassalloVassallVa

Mooji posted a video on his Facebook page about how there were flase accusations against him to ruin his reputation

[Richard Alpert]

Finally.

I wonder why you guys give him a pass because he is a "great teacher"? I can also hop on the stage and start repackaging material. Maybe i don´t have the charisma to get followers, but talking shit is not a hard thing to do.

What good has he done, besides acting holy? Any "spiritual" puppet sitting on a stage is way lower than nurses, doctors, firefighters, social workers.

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by Richard Alpert

[Richard Alpert]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I posted three of his videos that are excellent in this thread. 

i don´t need to see any of his videos. Have seen enough in the years.

 

[Richard Alpert]

8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I posted three of his videos that are excellent in this thread.  Why do we always need someone to beat up on?  I'm guilty of this too by the way, so I don't exclude myself.  But it gets tiring.  If it's not Mooji it's gonna be someone or something else.  There's always gotta be some kind of conflict.  People argue about Spiral Dynamics or whether so and so is an "integral" thinker etc.  There's no end!

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

i don´t need to see any of his videos. Have seen enough in the years.

I mostly just beat up spiritual bozos. Their followers would be better off without them.

[Richard Alpert]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Spiritual bozos.  Wow.  That sounds mature.  Great argument.

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Spiritual bozos.  Wow.  That sounds mature.  Great argument.

19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I posted three of his videos that are excellent in this thread.  Why do we always need someone to beat up on?  I'm guilty of this too by the way, so I don't exclude myself.  But it gets tiring.

19 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I posted three of his videos that are excellent in this thread. 

My credibility? When have i had any credibilty? Nobody knows who i am. Maybe you should not take internet so seriously.

12000 forumposts at 40 years of age sounds to me like you don´t have much going on in your real life.

[Hsinav]

They are running a site based on exposing Cults!?

Who´s next?

Eckhart Tolle? 

[Hsinav]

7 hours ago, cetus56 said:

@Jed Vassallo What seems questionable is that it's a publication based soley on digging up dirt on guru's. Without a good-new story it wouldn't be much of a publication. 

 

                                                                                                 

Exactly!

[Hellspeed]

People, enlightenment is not for the responsible  

It is freedom in any aspect. 

[Shin]

1 hour ago, Hellspeed said:

People, enlightenment is not for the responsible  

It is freedom in any aspect. 

 

How DARE you assume that I exist ?

QUICK, bown to ME and SUCK my guru «grace»,

Devotee

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Edited March 8, 2019 by Shin

[Richard Alpert]

4 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

I agree with luckieluuke here.

While the article doesn't seem like a compelling source, those videos alone made me feel uncomfortable.

I know for sure Eckhart Tolle or even Leo would kindly warn you about the danger of falling into guru worshipping and make a little speech about how some non-dual teachers ended up falling for the constant projections made on them by their followers.  I am having a hard time picturing them allowing such behaviors. 

Is Mooji living an ascetic life? I am convinced that being enlightened doesn't mean that your life stop. Sages do have a life, wives, children, drink some alcohol if it please, or have sex. How is Mooji's life in his community? Does he refuse all the opportunities given to him by his followers? 

The truth is, that I have no idea whether all of those allegations are true or not. And, I am fine with that.  It's certainly important not to condemn or judge Mooji as a cult leader. I'll so far assume he's innocent, but I'll keep an eye on it.

The writer of the article is legit person and it seems you didnt read the article. I have read many of her articles before.

 

[Shin]

Damn,

I need to get enlightened,
Only way to have 3 wifes that dresses me in the morning (along other things ) !

That or living in Saudi Arabia.
Forget it, 100 goats are faster to get !

[Hellspeed]

@Shin Go follow a guru :)))))

@Joseph Maynor follow Shin  

 

 

with your voodoo concepts

Edited March 8, 2019 by Hellspeed

[Shin]

Follow me !

It's only one night of bdsm,
Then it's all free !!!

I'll save all of you,
Just bow down before me !

(If you can't escape the sex torture dungeon ofc )

 

Joins us !

(And yeah, for some reason there is 75% of women )

 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Shin

[i am I AM]

25 minutes ago, Shin said:

Follow me !

It's only one night of bdsm,
Then it's all free !!!

I'll save all of you,
Just bow down before me !

(If you can't escape the sex torture dungeon ofc )

 

Joins us !

(And yeah, for some reason there is 75% of women )

 

Ohhh, man...That's where they all went to. But since my experience is your experience in the now...

Noo, somebody! Get me out of the @Shin Strange Loop!!!!1

[Shin]

16 minutes ago, i am I AM said:

Ohhh, man...That's where they all went to. But since my experience is your experience in the now...

Noo, somebody! Get me out of the @Shin Strange Loop!!!!1

 

Are you ready to get,

"Blessed"

?

 

[Arcangelo]

On 3/7/2019 at 4:18 AM, Salvijus said:

There is no line. Bowing down to your masters feet is the sweetest feeling and the greatest joy for a devotee. 

It's simply impossible for you to understand now untill you remove that self-importence and "everyone should be equal" mentality.

"Passion for others, dispassion for yourself, the highest quality" #sadhguru

Wow, just WOW!

I have seen videos of the feet kissing. It is OBVIOUSLY a cult. I just needed 15 seconds to figure it out.

Leo has a video about cults. Maybe go check it out so you can get out?

Arc

 

[Shin]

6 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

Wow, just WOW!

I have seen videos of the feet kissing. It is OBVIOUSLY a cult. I just needed 15 seconds to figure it out.

Leo has a video about cults. Maybe go check it out so you can get out?

Arc

 

You just don't understand,
His feet smell GODLY !!!

It's an honor to lick someone else feet
Just get real !

[Arcangelo]

LOL!

 

[lmfao]

@Jed Vassallo If most of what's written in that article is true, it would seem that at the very least Mooji is getting a few personal advantages from his followers if he's sleeping with them. Being enlightened has no direct relation to ethics, so this wouldn't surprise me. I can't say I have a good enough understanding about psychology and people to say whether sleeping with your students is always bad as a guru. Sex is a complicated thing.

I can understand people having very great love and admiration for a guru. It's just something which can happen. And the article insinuated that these rituals they do are bad, but I think it could perhaps be the case these rituals are just like any other spiritual practice but the author of the article is twisting it. Nothing wrong with rituals.

One thing I hope is not the case is that these followers have their non-dual experiences and emotions connected to some delusional belief structure. Back when I was still a Muslim, there were times when through deep prayer I'd feel very strong emotions due to a 100% conviction in the idea that all of reality is inherently good thanks to God and the existence of the afterlife. But looking back, those states I reached were attached to something external and phony in a sort of way. That isn't to say those states were not profound and meaningful, just that they partially arose from a place of delusion.

And so whilst devotion is obviously powerful, I am extremely skeptical of people who would justify followers of a Guru to think that their Guru is some lofty, divine, infallible figure. That is just pure stage blue territory. And if a Guru is just teaching his followers to look inwards and do practices, I don't see why the followers should then think their Guru is a literal God in the duality sense of the word. The same way current christians might think of Jesus as being a God separate and above them. Ofc I don't know whats really the case for Mooji. But if he is encouraging his followers to worship him and do gestures of respect I would be suspicious. But if a guru is instead encouraging his followers to instead hug him and he hugs them back thats obviously different.

Mooji doesn't be having to be telling his followers that he is some divine, infallible figure who is above them. It could always be much subtler, as the dynamics of any group are nuanced with shades of grey. There could still be cultish dynamics where Mooji is treated like a messiah. But then again, feeling of admiration for a person who's changed your life would be powerful enough to the point where you love that person completely and utterly and it would be natural. Regardless of what's the case, still listen to his teachings if they're good regardless of whats true about his life. 

 

Edited March 8, 2019 by lmfao