Would You Meditate Full Time If Andrew Yang Gave Us UBI?

[AstralProjection]

There seems to be a problem that many people don't want to meditate because they have to work a job, like me. But in America presidential candidate Andrew Yang wants to give everyone UBI universal basic income that would give everyone a $1000 a month. With that kind of money one could conceivably forego many worldly pursues in the goal of meditating many hours a day. I know if they instate a UBI I will give up my job and just meditate all day long. I mean it's not like I have a very important job anyway, I just drive for a living. Meaning I would meditate every day for probably about at least 9 hours a day. I would do it hardcore. Given that I don't think one should give up there job unless they are actually serious about doing meditation full time. What would you do if the government passed legislation giving everybody a $1000 dollars a month?

And BTW this isn't socialism.

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Edited March 1, 2019 by AstralProjection

[Salvijus]

I wish i got 1000€ a months i would have access to soooooooo many spiritual possibilities. Solo retreat non stop all years + traveling the world + exploring + meeting/attending satsangs of sages + climbing mountains + visiting consecrated places and temples.... 

Lucky America...

Edited March 1, 2019 by Salvijus

[Tistepiste]

That's cool but other people are working for you not to work also you have to proof that you're actively looking for a job and not just taking advantage of this tool that aims to keep people off the streets.

Edited March 1, 2019 by Tistepiste

[AstralProjection]

8 hours ago, Tistepiste said:

also you have to proof that you're actively looking for a job and not just taking advantage of this tool that aims to keep people off the streets.

No that isn't true, one doesn't have to work for UBI. Obviously if enough people don't work then they will just end up ending UBI. But I think enough people will stick to working that it won't go away.

[Hellspeed]

Already doing it without getting paid.

So where do i sign up?  

[thesmileyone]

UBI won't work.

If everyone in the USA recieved $1000 a month, then the price of goods would raise so $1000 a month effectively becomes $100 a month and it is impossible to live on $100 a month in the USA.

Secondly they are going to have to fund UBI from taxing people who do work, these people will just leave the USA and move to somewhere that does not tax them as high.

Thirdly he is Democratic who have a long history of lying and I wouldn't put it past him/them to get in based on the promise of UBI then go back on their promise.

Finland did UBI for 2 years to only 2000 people at 500 euros a month and it didn't work out, so how is a country 18x the size at double the UBI rate going to work? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/23/finland-to-end-basic-income-trial-after-two-years

[ivory]

1 hour ago, thesmileyone said:

these people will just leave the USA and move to somewhere that does not tax them as high

Based on what evidence? You don't actually know what people will do.

 

1 hour ago, thesmileyone said:

Thirdly he is Democratic who have a long history of lying and I wouldn't put it past him/them to get in based on the promise of UBI then go back on their promise.

Just because other democrats have a history of lying doesn't mean that he does. In my opinion, Yang comes off as someone who's honest, selfless, and intelligent. Whether or not UBI would work is a different matter. I personally don't think America is ready for UBI because it's such a drastic step. There's going to be a lot of push back. That does not mean that he can't do good for our country. He clearly has America's best interest at heart.

 

1 hour ago, thesmileyone said:

Finland did UBI for 2 years to only 2000 people at 500 euros a month

That was an experiment on a small portion of the population. Not UBI.

 

Here's what I see. Yang wants to change the American value system from money driven antics to that of health and happiness and to get discussion going on how to do things differently. Yang is clearly green but sees things from many different angles which indicates that he's also yellow. This is what makes him different from other democrats. He wants to discuss alternatives, not go to war with those who have opposing views.

[AlwaysBeNice]

Automation has already removed 4 millions jobs in the USA recently, and it's just getting started, of course you need a UBI to balance this technological abundance, the money will circulate back into the economy, makes senses:

there's enough resources to take care of the common basic needs easily - and it removes a lot of stress: people also lose like 13 IQ points, which is huge, if they are unsure if they can pay the next bill. I'm donating to this guy as a European https://www.yang2020.com/

 

Edited March 2, 2019 by AlwaysBeNice

[AstralProjection]

9 hours ago, thesmileyone said:

UBI won't work.

If everyone in the USA recieved $1000 a month, then the price of goods would raise so $1000 a month effectively becomes $100 a month and it is impossible to live on $100 a month in the USA.

Secondly they are going to have to fund UBI from taxing people who do work, these people will just leave the USA and move to somewhere that does not tax them as high.

Thirdly he is Democratic who have a long history of lying and I wouldn't put it past him/them to get in based on the promise of UBI then go back on their promise.

Finland did UBI for 2 years to only 2000 people at 500 euros a month and it didn't work out, so how is a country 18x the size at double the UBI rate going to work? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/23/finland-to-end-basic-income-trial-after-two-years

OK well what would your plan be once automation significantly effects job prospects? Oxford did a study and found some 47 percent of jobs could be automated in the coming 20 years. My brother makes 100K a year as a computer programmer and even he admits that we will have to eventually instate a UBI.  Though his time frame is further out than mine.

Edited March 3, 2019 by AstralProjection

[Shadowraix]

I wouldn't Meditate full time. I'm not there yet. 

[thesmileyone]

20 hours ago, AstralProjection said:

OK well what would your plan be once automation significantly effects job prospects? Oxford did a study and found some 47 percent of jobs could be automated in the coming 20 years. My brother makes 100K a year as a computer programmer and even he admits that we will have to eventually instate a UBI.  Though his time frame is further out than mine.

It won't. The phrase of the question shows me you are missing the point.

A better question would be

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OK well what would your plan be once automation significantly effects current job prospects?

47% of jobs could be automated. This means that 47% of the people who work in the world are free from having to do jobs they either hate or currently perform. Instead they need to work other jobs. They are free to explore more careers!!!!!

If the world suddenly does not require farmers, that leaves huge potential for population to advance!!!! We are only thinking of the negative consequences of automation, not the positive ones.

The smart first step would be to think of a career that is sustainable, which in the "new world" would mean a career doing something that robots cannot do, or that humans can do better.

If you are intellectually able to see this, and not lazy, you have a huge advantage over people who cannot see this, because you have (x)x years to figure it out, educate yourself, and plan for it before it happens, because the people who cannot see this are not ready.

My career is based on selling other peoples products online, and I also run another business gathering, condensing and organizing information and writing it in a way that it either better explains information that is already out, or teaches someone new things not previously published. A robot will not be able to do this in my lifetime. You can spot AI on reddit for example because AI has not mastered the unspoken that humans can write and interpret; the reading in between the lines that only a pair of the same species can understand. Therefore I am safe. Yet I don't really care if I die either. I have reached a point in my spiritual understanding to no longer worry about death of the body. It's an eternal peacefulness.

Survival of the fittest will prevail, as it always has. The sad truth is those who cannot adapt will be swept over, and those who can adapt will flourish. This is actually "Natural Law". Observe natural law and you will find the answers. Ironically it is perfectly acceptable for society to breed hundreds of thousands of animals JUST to kill them for their meat, or their horns, for $$$, yet when something threatens the survival of humans, worrying begins and stupid ideas get promoted.

As for $1000 paid to everyone, do you really think this is a good coping strategy? What happens when your neighbour decides $1k is not enough and he decides he wants your $1k too? And has the means to acquire it (violence)? Before you say this is unlikely, have you noticed the increased crime rate, how the criminals seem to get all the rights and get away with things that straight up people get punished for?

How is society going to afford to hire more Police when they are burdened by paying 400 million people, $1000 a month, in the USA alone? That's 400 Billion USD per month. Which is 1.2 TRILLION in just 3 months. The entire GDP is only 19 Trillion. It's just unfeasible.

My guess is that poor people will say "well rich people don't need UBI" and feminists will say "men don't need UBI" and black people will say "white people don't need UBI" and the rich will say "I'm sick of paying for UBI for the lazy". All these words will occur and breed into hate, and only the rich will be able to do something about it; emigrate.

 

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According to The New York Times, the richest 1 percent in the United States now own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent.

So in this scenario, the richest 1 percent in the USA will leave the USA, taking their wealth with them.

Who is going to pay for UBI now the 1% have gone taking 90% of the GDP with them? Suddenly the GDP becomes 1.9 TRillion USD per year, minus 5.2 Trillion of UBI payments per year....

UBI is unfeasible. This is why it hasn't worked in any country. And why trials have occured and quickly been eliminated.
Communism is also unfeasible. Several countries tried that and look what happened? The powerful took it all.

Edited March 3, 2019 by thesmileyone

[thesmileyone]

Another worthwhile opinion
 

This guy lacks empathy for people so I don't really promote him BUT he has an Economics degree and understands human emotion so his opinions on the matter are actually realistic.

[AstralProjection]

@thesmileyone  You try convincing a 49 year old truck worker that they should learn to code or get into STEM. Pff what a crazy idea. Only a small fraction of those people will actually be able and willing to do such a feat.

[Breathe]

19 minutes ago, AstralProjection said:

You try convincing a 49 year old truck worker that they should learn to code or get into STEM. Pff what a crazy idea. Only a small fraction of those people will actually be able and willing to do such a feat.

I agree. You have to take the whole system into account. The cost of education, ability, the time it takes to learn new skills, familial obligations. The responsible and capable will find a way, but there are plenty that will get left in the dust.

[AlwaysBeNice]

On 3/3/2019 at 10:09 PM, thesmileyone said:

Another worthwhile opinion
 

This guy lacks empathy for people so I don't really promote him BUT he has an Economics degree and understands human emotion so his opinions on the matter are actually realistic.

Yet completely wrong on overbreeding in the west, the west struggles to for people to have more than 2 children.