is turquoise about systems or something else

[ValiantSalvatore]

 

I am not sure if this helps, yet I am going to be so free and give my opinion. I only did one retreat and a couple of retreats online, sometimes it feels like logic is transcended like how can a person online say something out of the blue that fits into my pattern of thoughts? Even if I skimmed through some book just 1 or 2 days before. And it had no context whatsoever with what has been said, it was sort of a new rule paradigm... for the transpersonal realm ...? He did not see me, he can't read my body language, he can't read my facial expressions, yet why do some thoughts randomly overlap. Idk. I put my real name on the list, this would be the most rational answer.

Another thing for me was seeing a turquoise zen master and by comparison a couple of green and stage yellow people (2 ppl who studied physics + others)
The zen master always said something exactly at the right moment and really slow and steady as it is usual for Soto-zen while we were having a sesshin. I did not have a turquoise experience, yet really beside maybe one LSD trip. Where I barely liked the tail of the ox in hindsight. *cough* But, for example, it was obvious that the stage green people built an identity around their spiritual practice. Also, they thought that or it came across for me that they thought... (Leo also said smth along those lines ) they were on the same level of development as the turquoise master. Yet, it was so different it transcended yellow clearly. Yellow was just quite and amazed imo or was just taking part and being part of the experience/system etc. I only sat one time in front of him and it felt like there was no need for concepts I was more aware and awake, yet that could easily be an illusion. I still thought etc. Similar to the LSD trip I tried to grasp what stage turquoise is like to let go of what I know and it felt like I had to give up survival. Even when I thought I know so little, this should be easy. Yet, my mind wanted to survive.

Till I felt I almost became one with a sentient being during my LSD trip which seems to be a common description for stage turquoise. (Integral Psychology, or cook greuters 9 levels of development).

 

Not sure if someone can relate here, yet during the last retreat my solar plexus/sternum popped open, it felt like a valve being released and a flood of emotions that are very difficult to identify, I would call it steam was being flushed through my body. I was not able to identify the locations of those feelings. I had to cry hardcore and in an instant as soon as I heard the voice of the person and cried instantly. I felt like an emotional psychopath, I could not deal with the intensity of this and I looked at my body, my solar plexus was pumping. I saw that something that I would describe as a small metal ball a bit below my sternum moving upwards and downwards rapidly.

This happened two times, out of an incentive of feeling unable to care and wanting to care more. I also thought and felt I was almost dying... not sure if this is a precursor to stage turquoise or more relatable to other stages. I still feel like I am stuck in yellow hubris. A bit...

 

 

 

 

 

[Forestluv]

@Aakash It is as if you are trying to catch a flying eagle and put it in a cage to own it. Turquoise doesn’t work like that. 

I would focus on practice and direct experience. Let go as much as you can and open yourself to what might be revealed.

Communication in Turquoise realms is very different than traditional communication. 

Imagine the whole world was blind and everyone in history was blind. One night you are hanging out with soneone and suddenly the two of you can see. Your mode of communication would dramatically change. It would be beyond anything you could imagine. Only you and the other person would understand it. How could you explain it to the blind people?

This is much more radical than you are aware of.

[Aakash]

@Serotoninluv just when you think you got it caged, you realise ohh man i'm going to need a bigger cage ahah, i thought maybe there would be some juristriction or ground i could create to get a foothold in turquoise, but i guess your right its not so easy and has much more depth as do all the other levels. 

definatlely already realised that practice is the only form of turquoise can take when dealing with spirituality and consciousness work. 

anyways thanks for answering Q.