god before enlightenment

[tsuki]

On 19.02.2019 at 6:23 PM, OmniYoga said:

and why try to grasp something with language, if its beyond it,
seems like waste of time

Because unless you actually try to grasp god with language, you are buying into a belief that it's impossible.
Some people (me included) are just stupid and need to chase their own tail until they have no strength left.

Edited February 22, 2019 by tsuki

[Aaron p]

On 2/20/2019 at 5:36 AM, Leo Gura said:

@OmniYoga Yes it's a massive obstacle, second only to not learning about God

@OmniYoga @Leo Gura I think truth is like a strong detergent/cleaning agent. While you absolutely need it to clean things (like clothes), you need to remove it afterwards...otherwise it will dissolve the fabric. Or like mouthwash, use it and spit it back out after it's job is done. Wax on wax off bitches, na'mean

[abrakamowse]

 

14 hours ago, OmniYoga said:

@Truth Addict what is heaven for you?
 

11 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

It's where I don't suffer, no matter what.

Heaven is Moksha, Nirvana, Satori...

[Truth Addict]

4 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

Heaven is Moksha, Nirvana, Satori...

These are synonymous to a high experience.

Heaven is right here and right now. It's something that doesn't go away.

[OmniYoga]

@Truth Addict

17 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

It's where I don't suffer, no matter what.

what is wrong about suffer?

[Truth Addict]

1 hour ago, OmniYoga said:

@Truth Addict

what is wrong about suffer?

When one reaches heaven, it won't be wrong anymore.

Suffering is wrong when one is suffering. And when one is suffering, suffering is wrong. It's a vicious cycle.

If you already have no problem with it, that's heaven.

[OmniYoga]

@Truth Addict  who said it is a problem ?

[Truth Addict]

11 minutes ago, OmniYoga said:

@Truth Addict  who said it is a problem ?

A thought, the ego.

[OmniYoga]

@Truth Addict
what if we get the idea of suffering wrong as society, culture, philosophy ...
and suffering is inherent quality of life
instead of avoid it, deny it, resist it
we can accept it and allowing to experience it

[Truth Addict]

2 hours ago, OmniYoga said:

@Truth Addict
what if we get the idea of suffering wrong as society, culture, philosophy ...
and suffering is inherent quality of life
instead of avoid it, deny it, resist it
we can accept it and allowing to experience it

Exactly, that'll be heaven.

[Shin]

2 hours ago, OmniYoga said:

@Truth Addict
what if we get the idea of suffering wrong as society, culture, philosophy ...
and suffering is inherent quality of life
instead of avoid it, deny it, resist it
we can accept it and allowing to experience it

That's not a what if, that's literally the case

There is no suffering if we allow everything to be

[abrakamowse]

6 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

These are synonymous to a high experience.

Heaven is right here and right now. It's something that doesn't go away.

So Heaven is living in the now. Or "what is"...

[Truth Addict]

1 minute ago, abrakamowse said:

So Heaven is living in the now. Or "what is"...

Sure.

And hell as well resides in the now, when we run away from the now.

[abrakamowse]

Just now, Truth Addict said:

Sure.

And hell as well resides in the now, when we run away from the now.

Got it... I think that's what Jesus referred when he said "don't judge". If you don't judge anything as good or bad you will see the true nature of reality.

But, religion interpreted that wrongly, like in a judgemental and egotistic way.

[Truth Addict]

30 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

Got it... I think that's what Jesus referred when he said "don't judge". If you don't judge anything as good or bad you will see the true nature of reality.

But, religion interpreted that wrongly, like in a judgemental and egotistic way.

Yes, exactly.

And also:

Judging other people (criticism) is another trap.

Judging ourselves (perfectionism) is another trap.

With no one to blame, love shines and rules.

?

[abrakamowse]

6 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

Yes, exactly.

And also:

Judging other people (criticism) is another trap.

Judging ourselves (perfectionism) is another trap.

With no one to blame, love shines and rules.

?

Cool. Namaste!!!

[Joseph Maynor]

16 hours ago, Aaron p said:

@OmniYoga @Leo Gura I think truth is like a strong detergent/cleaning agent. While you absolutely need it to clean things (like clothes), you need to remove it afterwards...otherwise it will dissolve the fabric. Or like mouthwash, use it and spit it back out after it's job is done. Wax on wax off bitches, na'mean

Exactly.

[Truth Addict]

@abrakamowse ?