How Much Pleasure Enlightenment Gives You

[cetus]

3 minutes ago, Shin said:

The Superego is Walter White ?

Sounds about right ?

 lol

 

[Jack River]

15 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

 Here's another just so we're sure we're on the same page.

The model seems very fragmentary. 

1 hour ago, cetus56 said:

@Cortex

Can we say all are pleasure seeking, forms of resistance, and expressions of identification? 

Psychological time?

[Jack River]

@cetus56 all I see is time?

[cetus]

1 minute ago, Jack River said:

@cetus56 all I see is time?

All I see is illusion.

[Shin]

Just now, cetus56 said:

All I see is illusion.

Then you aren't seeing it.

Your non dual wording is not top notch, I give it a weak 5.

[Jack River]

2 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

All I see is illusion.

 ? 

 

[cetus]

1 minute ago, Shin said:

Then you aren't seeing it.

Your non dual wording is not top notch, I give it a weak 5.

The three faces of ego seems like one big illusion to me. All of this does.

[Shin]

3 minutes ago, cetus56 said:

The three faces of ego seems like one big illusion to me. All of this does.

I forgot the ?

Here you go ??

[Jack River]

what poor soul formulated that model @cetus56?

[cetus]

@Jack River The same person who coined the phrase- JUMBO shrimp

[Jack River]

@cetus56 ?

[cetus]

@Jack River SUPER ego. - JUMBO shrimp. Get it?  An ego is an ego no matter how you slice it.

[cetus]

23 minutes ago, Jack River said:

what poor soul formulated that model @cetus56?

All joking aside I really have no idea.

[Jkris]

@cetus56 Freud ?

[Joseph Maynor]

Not to say I'm enlightened, but what work I have done has brought my neuroticism down really low.  I used to have really bad problems with neuroticism, stress, insecurity, over-compensating Ego, etc.

Edited February 17, 2019 by Joseph Maynor

[Anton Rogachevski]

Isn't something that causes intense pleasure addictive? Like heroin for example. Is awakening addictive?

[Nahm]

13 hours ago, Cortex said:

It is interesting question, would it be better than MDMA or LSD or Weed or an amazing orgasm or any other amazing pleasure of this world, maybe it is the peak of pleasure

“It” isn’t of this world, like ‘peak of pleasure’, etc. “It” is prior to pleasure, and also transcendent of it, while it is also every pleasure in and of itself. From one vantage those pleasures are experienced by you, from another vantage, you and those pleasures are taking place, and not taking place, within you. It’s like asking about the experience of one grain of sand, then discovering you are the entire beach. 

The ego acting upon Frued’s Model via defensive mechanisms is present in your thread. The very thing the model intends to point out, is being done upon the model. Do you see it?

[Enlightenment]

13 hours ago, Cortex said:

It is interesting question, would it be better than MDMA or LSD or Weed or an amazing orgasm or any other amazing pleasure of this world, maybe it is the peak of pleasure

Better than the peak of MDMA - no

LSD - it depends on the trip

Weed - definitely better, but I'm biased here because I don't like the effects of weed

@Cortex

[Shin]

5 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Isn't something that causes intense pleasure addictive? Like heroin for example. Is awakening addictive?

Pleasure comes from a need to quench,

Bliss comes from needing nothing

?

[Jack River]

In a sense you can think of the indulgence of pleasure being reactionary. Being overly fascinated with objective experiences. Being influenced and overly focused on what memory has put together as the subject & object in experience. Implicitly identifying with the contents of thought and pursuing or trying to re-experience particular experiences and avoid others. Hence pleasure and pain are one and the same. Resistance to what-is. 

Resistance to an already inherent peace, bliss, sense of wholeness. 

It’s just ego always looks to objects of experience. With these objects rises the subject.

So the already inherent joy/beauty of being is missed/overlooked. 

Edited February 17, 2019 by Jack River