The doubter and the seeker

[Aakash]

The one who is doubting (at advanced stages) 

and 

the one who is seeking  (at advanced stages) 

are identifications and positions that people can take when trying to pursue enlightenment, there implies that there is "one who is" doubting or seeking, this means you've gone one step too far, they are also illusions. 

you can not seek from subject/object standpoint

you can not doubt because this means there must be a doubter 

and if there must be a doubter 

there must still be someone doubting 

likewise there must be someone seeking all the time 

something that has been there for eternity, that had no start/ no end. 

 

[Truth Addict]

@Aakash 

Yeah, I just realised that this morning.

There's no seeker, only the thought of a seeker and seeking. Even saying that there's a thought is too much. There just is what is.

How ignorant was it of me not to see this a lot earlier.

I've been deluded by Truth all the time since I was a kid, while it's been right here right in front of me.

How can anything be but the Truth?

Edited February 13, 2019 by Truth Addict

[Aakash]

2 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

How can anything be but the Truth?

explain? 

[Truth Addict]

@Aakash

Everything is Truth, even illusion. Everything you experience is true. You are Truth.

The mistake that I used to make was to identify myself with some beliefs about Truth and believe them.

The present moment is the Absolute Truth. So was the past, and so will be the future.

[Aakash]

@Truth Addict  yeah thats what i realised aswell, even illusion itself is an illusion, everything is truth in order of things going full circle, once again from everything being truth (false) to illusion and then back to truth (Truth)

[Truth Addict]

@Aakash

I started to understand the story of Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge.

A kid already knows the Truth because it is It.

It's only when the kid starts to believe (eats from the Tree), when the illusion is created, and identified itself as the Truth.

It's really not that we don't know Truth, it's just that we believe it's something else.

@Nahm congratulate me! I'm done.

[Aakash]

@Truth Addict i see, that story makes sense. 

the way i thought of it was, if the seeker is the illusion, then what ever is left must be the truth. 

the seeker is still bound by the body through mind, 

the i sensation can not be found in the body, so when you seek with self- inquiry it is not there, the I that is not the illusion is everything 

in other words, it can be represented as short whats here and now, but it represents the totality of everything

but there is no self inside this 

you (who is illusion) or (making illusion) is also part of the whole 

therefore there is no YOU in control, its I who is everything including i is aware of myself 

 

[Truth Addict]

@Aakash

There's nothing to say about it. It always just is.

[Highest]

The seeker is actually necessary to a certain point, then at some point it will be annihilated by itself by the light and guidance of Consciousness (God) And the doubter, doubting even that of awareness, needs direct experience to die. When consciousness (you) finally becomes conscious of itself as the non-dual One, that is the end of the imaginary you (ego-mind). At that point, no matter how much the ego comes back and doubts, denies, it will be like a flying thought coming from one ear to another.

[Aakash]

@Truth Addict i see well congrats  should i just call you just is?  

[SoonHei]

"...and they knew they were naked"

[Truth Addict]

1 hour ago, Aakash said:

@Truth Addict i see well congrats  should i just call you just is?  

I feel like a baby, I don't know what you should call me! Lol 

[Highest]

The ego and the mind can come back and doubt that which IS. It can even come back and doubt awakening. At least, pretend to. Once that one (ignorance) has been seen, made conscious and aware of, it ends like dark ends when light is turned on. Of course, ignorance is I and You. Only death, full non-dual consciousness can end ignorance (ego).

Edited February 13, 2019 by Highest

[Aakash]

@Highest again someone speaks of death, what is this death you are trying to achieve, are you trying to live a life of virtue as to escape the world of delusion and illusion. 

[Gog]

Wyclif Jimmy gen anpil rivyè pou travèse; You can get it if you really wantsi; in dem na resh alla; shi bais u tai ji chan; shen do na timatoe; nagaste!

[Highest]

@Aakash Just trying to become conscious of what reality is, the great question. Reality is not an illusion in a literal sense. God who is formless takes on all form, the universe. But we mistake the form for the form, when it is actually God. But how to awaken to this fact. Death. Not death in that you will go to some void, death meaning You as the ego, ego-consciousness, ego-mind. 

[Aakash]

@Highest good luck, maybe realise that all you know is not the truth and that its actually nonsense (even though what you said is true) 

[Highest]

@Aakash Consciousness of the non-dual One (God) will probably happen. fully, infinitely. All I know, I already know is illusion. The non-dual comes before knowing. It is self-knowing, self-existent, self-aware. 

Edited February 13, 2019 by Highest