does consciousness exist without feedback loop?

[Dima logach]

thats a question that crossed my mind and im pretty new to this so help me out here and correct me if im wrong in any way

if humans ,animals ,plants wouldn't exist , would it all still exist? you can frame it as would anything exist without it (consciousness) having self reference on itself or some sort of feedback loop? did everything come into being at first as the first feedback loop came somehow into being? 

as i understand in quantum mechanics the superposition is broken and turned to physical reality at ones as there is observance or again a"consciousness self awareness of itself" so by the same logic if there was no thing that would be in some way aware or form some sort of loop would consciousness wouldn't exist as physical?

Edited February 12, 2019 by Dima logach
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[Nahm]

@Dima logach Consciousness already does not exist as physical.  This is just what a loop “says”. There’s no loop though. Picture a swimming pool full of only consciousness. Then within the pool consciousness imagines a person / body / brain. That brain, in  & of consciousness / awareness, will see the situation as the consciousness / awareness is it’s. This we call the ‘ego’ (delusion / wrong view). Because the brain claims the consciousness as it’s / or a product / output of the individual brain, what is missed is that the brain is just consciousness, as is all the pool, and all there is is pool. A quest is a loop, but the loop too is consciousness. The pool is itself the ‘right view’, so it see’s no thing. 

[Truth Addict]

@Dima logach

If you weren't watching, who would be?

Watch Leo's episode: What is Consciousness?

[Dima logach]

17 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Dima logach Consciousness already does not exist as physical.  This is just what a loop “says”. There’s no loop though. Picture a swimming pool full of only consciousness. Then within the pool consciousness imagines a person / body / brain. That brain, in  & of consciousness / awareness, will see the situation as the consciousness / awareness is it’s. This we call the ‘ego’ (delusion / wrong view). Because the brain claims the consciousness as it’s / or a product / output of the individual brain, what is missed is that the brain is just consciousness, as is all the pool, and all there is is pool. A quest is a loop, but the loop too is consciousness. The pool is itself the ‘right view’, so it see’s no thing. 

so bottom line there could be said that none of it exist and its consciousness imagines itself into being kinda? and so by that same logic could reality be played and changed as its an illusion? and also no one said that we are the only one in this consciousness, could there be higher dimensions that were not aware of as we are one of many projections of consciousness ?

[Dima logach]

12 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

@Dima logach

If you weren't watching, who would be?

Watch Leo's episode: What is Consciousness?

ill sure watch it, thanks

 

[Dima logach]

@Truth Addict  i don't know what kind of coincidence it is but i opened youtube and there it was "what is consciousness " first up in the recommended section 

[Nahm]

30 minutes ago, Dima logach said:

so bottom line there could be said that none of it exist and its consciousness imagines itself into being kinda?

“Imagine itself into being” is a thought, not an actual possibility. Being is prior to and is thought. You missed the ‘prior to’.  (A priori is the only way to miss what is prior to)

Yes, but flip that around, You - are this consciousness we’re talking about. You ARE Being, so you dream a scenario in which you think (veil) -  you could not be (die), and as the brain applies duality (to Love), the brain invents, “fear”. Being can’t not be, being is Being, so You must imagine and believe that there is the potential to not be. But potential is abstraction, not actuality. And so certainty imagines uncertainty. Not-repetition imagines repitition. Perfection imagines imperfection. Peace imagines suffering. Love....imagines fear. Fear = a priori. Look directly into it, and it is not and never was. It is you, too. To speak of it, is to perpetuate it for yourself, or, to stay “asleep”. 

When asked if would choose to go to heavon or hell, The Buddha sai hell. Do you see why? Can you see what he sees? (He is looking through ‘your’ eyes too). 

and so by that same logic could reality be played and changed as its an illusion?

Is it ever not changing? Are you ever not playing? 

Direct experience really shines here - describe your experience of your birth, and of death? 

So is ‘this’ serious, or is it play?

and also no one said that we are the only one in this consciousness,

Again direct experience shines. Someone breaks the silence of One, and speaks - and now to you there are two. Yet what they said is a fabrication of silence. And so “you” are by default positioned to believe them, or not to believe them. Still, all of this is the silence. Can you see past the sounds and hear what is being said? 

could there be higher dimensions that were not aware of as we are one of many projections of consciousness ?

There is One. “Projections” is like any other word you can fill a __________ with. The word is the silence. It also is consciousness. 

 

[Truth Addict]

@Dima logach

Nice! It's infinite intelligence. No random coincidence could ever be.

Edited February 12, 2019 by Truth Addict

[Nahm]

@Truth Addict Holy shit your avatar is funny. 

[Truth Addict]

8 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Truth Addict Holy shit your avatar is funny. 

All perspective is relative, and ultimately is bs, therefore one should step outside of it and find the Absolute.

[Nahm]

@Truth Addict All perspectives are the absolute too. (You)

Funny?

You can’t step outside of You. You can’t find You.

Come on man. That shit is funny.

 

Just stand up and say ok, I’m gonna look at myself once and for all. Take two steps forward, and turn around and look at yourself. 

[Truth Addict]

@Nahm

It's only one perspective, my perspective.

And who am I? Everything, since that's all there is.

Identification with some part is just silly.

It all makes perfect sense, and I can't doubt it. Why the heck am I not sure?

Yes, I can't step outside of me, but I can make models for myself. (preparing a funny and interesting post, very soon).

ok, I’m gonna look at myself once and for all.

[Dima logach]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

3 hours ago, Dima logach said:

so bottom line there could be said that none of it exist and its consciousness imagines itself into being kinda?

“Imagine itself into being” is a thought, not an actual possibility. Being is prior to and is thought. You missed the ‘prior to’.  (A priori is the only way to miss what is prior to)

Yes, but flip that around, You - are this consciousness we’re talking about. You ARE Being, so you dream a scenario in which you think (veil) -  you could not be (die), and as the brain applies duality (to Love), the brain invents, “fear”. Being can’t not be, being is Being, so You must imagine and believe that there is the potential to not be. But potential is abstraction, not actuality. And so certainty imagines uncertainty. Not-repetition imagines repitition. Perfection imagines imperfection. Peace imagines suffering. Love....imagines fear. Fear = a priori. Look directly into it, and it is not and never was. It is you, too. To speak of it, is to perpetuate it for yourself, or, to stay “asleep”. 

When asked if would choose to go to heavon or hell, The Buddha sai hell. Do you see why? Can you see what he sees? (He is looking through ‘your’ eyes too). 

and so by that same logic could reality be played and changed as its an illusion?

Is it ever not changing? Are you ever not playing? 

Direct experience really shines here - describe your experience of your birth, and of death? 

So is ‘this’ serious, or is it play?

and also no one said that we are the only one in this consciousness,

Again direct experience shines. Someone breaks the silence of One, and speaks - and now to you there are two. Yet what they said is a fabrication of silence. And so “you” are by default positioned to believe them, or not to believe them. Still, all of this is the silence. Can you see past the sounds and hear what is being said? 

could there be higher dimensions that were not aware of as we are one of many projections of consciousness ?

There is One. “Projections” is like any other word you can fill a __________ with. The word is the silence. It also is consciousness. 

 

@Nahm thank you for your answer i really appreciate the effort and now ill have some stuff to contemplate on.

but still, would the physical dream exist if there was no observer to dream? would existence exist without physical or any other manifestation existence? 

and also why are bound to physicality and can't manifest something out of nothing ? ,what is the difference in existence between imagination and physical if by a thought it already exists (i imagine a dragon but there can't be one physically)? or could it be that imagination and physical both exist but on from other aspects of manifestation  .

 

 

[Dima logach]

3 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Truth Addict Holy shit your avatar is funny. 

@Truth Addict @Nahm i join you on this one.i like it too

[Nahm]

@Dima logach ?

6 minutes ago, Dima logach said:

@Nahm thank you for your answer i really appreciate the effort and now ill have some stuff to contemplate on.

Thank you!  (Experience of answer = experience of question) Without each other, no experience (which is awesome too).

but still, would the physical dream exist if there was no observer to dream? would existence exist without physical or any other manifestation existence? 

You’ve had dreams. Did you “observe them” or was it more like you were in them, not knowing it was a dream, and therefore, not knowing an observer at all?  In the sense, was there even a role of an observer? No - All of the dream, is you. The person sleeping, the people in the dream, the environment, the events, etc.      And so what is a “physical dream”? Is “physical” not the environment?  Is “environment” not you also, just like any other dream?  Perhaps the oberserver problem is entirely a priori. No observer, no problem. 

and also why are bound to physicality and can't manifest something out of nothing ? ,what is the difference in existence between imagination and physical if by a thought it already exists  

The “variable” is realized in self inquiry or a pretty deep trip (same thing). This “insight” can not be told nor received by anyone. When you realize it, you will be laughing and crying for weeks. 

Here’s some pointers of direction though......

 “God made man in His own image; in His own image He created them; male and female He created them.”

“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”  and Jesus answered “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”…

All that is needed, is not to “other”. 

 

 

[Dima logach]

22 hours ago, Nahm said:

 

@Nahm thank you for your answer i really appreciate the effort and now ill have some stuff to contemplate on.

Thank you!  (Experience of answer = experience of question) Without each other, no experience (which is awesome too).

but still, would the physical dream exist if there was no observer to dream? would existence exist without physical or any other manifestation existence? 

You’ve had dreams. Did you “observe them” or was it more like you were in them, not knowing it was a dream, and therefore, not knowing an observer at all?  In the sense, was there even a role of an observer? No - All of the dream, is you. The person sleeping, the people in the dream, the environment, the events, etc.      And so what is a “physical dream”? Is “physical” not the environment?  Is “environment” not you also, just like any other dream?  Perhaps the oberserver problem is entirely a priori. No observer, no problem. 

and also why are bound to physicality and can't manifest something out of nothing ? ,what is the difference in existence between imagination and physical if by a thought it already exists  

The “variable” is realized in self inquiry or a pretty deep trip (same thing). This “insight” can not be told nor received by anyone. When you realize it, you will be laughing and crying for weeks. 

Here’s some pointers of direction though......

 “God made man in His own image; in His own image He created them; male and female He created them.”

“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”  and Jesus answered “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”…

All that is needed, is not to “other”. 

the first part really shines some light and cleared the way for me and thanks for that.but the other part i didn't quite understand ,if you can try to explain (or ill just wait till i get some direct experience )

[Nahm]

@Dima logach That second part, you’ll see with nondual awareness. Don’t be too sure what imagination is, or that you can’t manifest something from nothing.

[Highest]

No such thing as physical, only appearance, illusion. Consciousness (which is One and infinite) is totally formless, self-aware, conscious, manifesting as all form. Your feelings, your doer ship, your interactions, your thoughts, your computer, all objects, the ego, the self, matter, energy, the mind - All is Consciousness. You are a puppet. But the puppet is also Consciousness. All it needs to do is become more conscious. You are LITERALLY not the mind, You are LITERALLY Consciousness (God). Everything, Totality, Infinity, is ONE. It's only One, All is One, One is All. One in All, All in One. One without a second, indivisibly One.

[Dima logach]

14 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Dima logach That second part, you’ll see with nondual awareness. Don’t be too sure what imagination is, or that you can’t manifest something from nothing.

you sure got me hella interested now. thank a lot!

[Dima logach]

@Highest nicely said ,thanks for your answer