Some people say Leo is a scammer/manopulator/cultist

[Tiny Nietzsche]

- I don't agree, I'm logical, I hate fallacy, So I focus on the 'content' not a sayer (and leo's content is mostly legit, except about science(Math/Quantum/Physics)) 
- But I'm skeptical person, I don't take thing for only one side before fully get into it....
- https://www.quora.com/Is-Leo-Gura’s-Actualized-org-a-scam    /   https://www.reddit.com/r/awakened/comments/93yzuj/be_wary_of_actualizedorg/
- There's a lot (some still reasonal) negativity on Leo 

Thoughts?
 

[DocHoliday]

To raise a discussion about this “issue” is irrelevant.

It’s all based upon subjective evaluation anyway. 

Either one gets something out of what he’s presenting, or one doesn’t.

If one doesn’t, then he ought leave the whole thing alone, but to classify someone as a scammer or other things of that nature is generally simply a sign that it goes against one’s own (self) agenda. 

Now if that is the case, then one might argue who’s in the right or who’s “more true”. See, it’s all based upon real Truth at the end of the day. And to find out what’s true... well that’s everyone’s own business. 

Edited February 2, 2019 by DocHoliday

[Eric Tarpall]

Manopulating people isn't a bad thing per se. It can be a good thing.

[Gog]

Depends how much you're paying them.

[Space]

@Tiny Nietzsche Anyone who achieves a bit of success, particularly online, and particularly with Leo's kind of content, will inevitably have people who dislike and criticise them. I would be more surprised if there weren't any haters!

[Rufus]

Simply, If Leo's content doesn't ring someone's bell, it's because they are not ready for it, or because they already passed that level (which is rare).
and if they really passed that level, they wouldn't be moaning about anyone on social media.

What I see, is Actualized.org discusses mostly Stage Yellow and late Yellow/early Turquize, and maybe some Late Green people as well.
there are of course some blue and orange, but they have some little "Yellow" in their guts, that's why they keep following.

That's why I think Yellow is a quality, not a stage.

Leo's teaching opens you to question itself, he never said to take any of his teachings for granted, even if the teaching was barking up a wrong tree, just going through 2 hours video about a deep topic provokes some serious contemplation about the topic afterward, which may lead you to other conclusions/realizations.
 

Edited February 2, 2019 by Rufus

[Hansu]

Of course some people see Leo as a manipulator, he is a leader! Its easier to see manipulation in leaders than in individuals, because leaders have to do mass-manipulation instead of individualistic manipulation, latter which is part of a follower-type persons daily life and easier to disguise.

But to say that Leo is a scammer is just ignorance. If one tries the techniques Leo teaches and does not find improvement in the area that the technique is supposed to help, its more likely their ego's not wanting to change and not taking the practice seriously, or self-sabotaging whatever results they are trying to get from Leo's advice

[Matt8800]

5 hours ago, Tiny Nietzsche said:

- I don't agree, I'm logical, I hate fallacy, So I focus on the 'content' not a sayer (and leo's content is mostly legit, except about science(Math/Quantum/Physics)) 
- But I'm skeptical person, I don't take thing for only one side before fully get into it....
- https://www.quora.com/Is-Leo-Gura’s-Actualized-org-a-scam    /   https://www.reddit.com/r/awakened/comments/93yzuj/be_wary_of_actualizedorg/
- There's a lot (some still reasonal) negativity on Leo 

Thoughts?
 

There is always going to be someone to disagree. The important thing is what do you think and why.

[TheAvatarState]

6 hours ago, Tiny Nietzsche said:

(and leo's content is mostly legit, except about science(Math/Quantum/Physics))

Some people say their opinions as fact. Isn't it interesting how this works?

[B_Naz]

How do you know that they're not scamming you?

6 hours ago, DocHoliday said:

It’s all based upon subjective evaluation anyway. 

This is what you have to do. Evaluate Leo for yourself.

[thesmileyone]

This place is not a cult.

Cult's have leaders that tell you what you can and can't do. Leo doesn't do that.

Having been in one I can clearly see the difference. This place is not culty.

Sure he might delete some posts...on his forum, but there's a difference between content moderation and giving orders.

[Natasha]

@Tiny Nietzsche The critics are stage orange and below. Those with higher levels of consciousness will resonate with Leo and his teachings.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Natasha

[outlandish]

4 hours ago, Natasha said:

@Tiny Nietzsche The critics are stage orange and below. Those with higher levels of consciousness will resonate with Leo and his teachings.

@Natasha Ironically, you're dismissing accusations of cultiness with a classic culty tactic!

I quickly scanned the reddit, and I think there's actually some valid criticism in there, mixed in with some reactionary and cherry-picked stuff. I'd like to take the time to digest it more thoroughly.

It's important that we be open to criticism of ourselves, our teachers, our philosophies. We're all human and flawed and sometimes other humans can point out these flaws and give us the fodder for taking steps forward.

[Key Elements]

13 hours ago, Tiny Nietzsche said:

Thoughts?

I agree with this part:

"Any proper response to almost any of his content ends with dismissal."

Not always, but there is some truth to this. Someone might be saying something that is hinting at a turning point in one's life, but the other person dismisses it and may take years to rediscover it and apply it to one's life.

[Natasha]

2 hours ago, outlandish said:

ronically, you're dismissing accusations of cultiness with a classic culty tactic!

I understand what you are saying and yes it might sound like that, but I am not a part of any group. I don't follow any teacher, including Leo. I run things I hear by direct experience and do integrate. And Leo is not the only one I listen to. So what 'cultness' and 'culty tactic' are we talking about? 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Natasha

[Cortex]

He can be whoever he wants as long as he gives me this precious knowledge 

[SerpaeTetra]

In my experience, he is not a scammer at all and it's not even close.  I have gained so much insight on personal development, and I have spent $0 on anything related to actualized,org, except a big pot to cook his vegetable soup in.