Natural vs Processed Entheogens

[brugluiz]

Recently, I watched a video by Teal Swan talking about entheogens (what some people call psychedelics).

She says that the best is to take it on its natural form like, for example, ayahuasca tea. Synthetic forms like LSD and even processed forms like DMT are not recommended due to its vibrational value.

I feel the same, the best entheogens are in its natural forms (despite never taking any of it). It's also important to check your intuition to see if you really need entheogens.

 

[Truth Addict]

@brugluiz

I would go with psychedelics without thinking. Haven't tried them yet, cuz thirld-world country. But given the chance, I would never hesitate.

I have seen some psychedelic effects on meditation alone. If it's a boost, then there's no reason not to give it a try.

I don't think there are better forms of them than others. I think each one of them has a unique set of effects. Some of them have some mix of effects, others have other mix of them.

You have to know what kind of effects you're looking for before you go try one. Research is always valuable.

[TheAvatarState]

42 minutes ago, brugluiz said:

I feel the same, the best entheogens are in its natural forms (despite never taking any of it)

It's an ideology if you hold an opinion without having any direct experience of it. Be careful here...

[brugluiz]

31 minutes ago, TheAvatarState said:

It's an ideology if you hold an opinion without having any direct experience of it. Be careful here...

I'm trying to use my intuition in order to understand it (that's why I use the verb 'feel' instead of 'think'). By the way, my intuition says I shouldn't take entheogens yet.

Ideology is ego centered, and not intuitively centered.

[TheAvatarState]

10 minutes ago, brugluiz said:

By the way, my intuition says I shouldn't take entheogens yet.

That's a mature decision, listen to your intuition. Entheogens are extremely powerful tools, and they'll always be there later. 

I was just pointing out to be careful of holding an ideology (that blocks you from direct experience). You fundamentally can't trust anything that anyone says, so it's untenable to judge things before you've tried them. As someone who has considerable experience with natural and synthetic entheogens, I've actually had my best experiences with "synthetic" substances. They are equally potent tools, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe that one is better than the other. Is it not all fundamentally natural? A better question is what isn't natural? I'm not saying I'm "right" and I'm not saying Ms. Swan is "right," that's completely irrelevant. Just to be wary of an opinion or feeling potentially cutting you off from spiritual growth avenues entirely.   

[brugluiz]

10 minutes ago, TheAvatarState said:

That's a mature decision, listen to your intuition. Entheogens are extremely powerful tools, and they'll always be there later. 

I was just pointing out to be careful of holding an ideology (that blocks you from direct experience). You fundamentally can't trust anything that anyone says, so it's untenable to judge things before you've tried them. As someone who has considerable experience with natural and synthetic entheogens, I've actually had my best experiences with "synthetic" substances. They are equally potent tools, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe that one is better than the other. Is it not all fundamentally natural? A better question is what isn't natural? I'm not saying I'm "right" and I'm not saying Ms. Swan is "right," that's completely irrelevant. Just to be wary of an opinion or feeling potentially cutting you off from spiritual growth avenues entirely.   

Actually, I think it depends on the case. Maybe for some healing cases we can use the synthetic form.

[Forestluv]

I've noticed this idea that natural psychedelics are better than synthetic. Usually, in people with little to no psychedelic experience. 

I had a girlfriend who was ok if I took a small amount of psilocin on occasion when we went out. She drank alcohol and I don't, so this was a way we could both get buzzed. This went along fine until one day I wanted to take a small amount of LSD (25ug). To me, it's essentially the same. Yet, she freaked out because LSD is synthetic. She goes off on how she knew someone how went insane after an LSD trip and if I don't go insane I'll get addicted to it. 

Social science has shown a similar effect. Surveys show significantly higher support for exploring medicinal psilocin over LSD because psilocin is "all natural". To me, it's just another misconception to clarify. Naturally-occurring compounds are often more harmful than synthetic compounds.

Yet, I also understand the *earthy* appeal of natural mushrooms over LSD synthesized in a scary laboratory.