What comes after nothing?

[ivankiss]

Everything.

There can be no thing after nothing.

There is nothing after everything; everything after nothing.

[How to be wise]

@ivankiss Is that based on your awareness or your mind?

[ivankiss]

@How to be wise Based on awareness; expressed through a mind 

[TheAvatarState]

@ivankiss Perhaps this is just mental masturbation? "Nothing" and "everything" are concepts. "After" is a concept that implies subject- object duality of time. None of these things actually exist. Maybe the most accurately you could point to this Truth with language would be to say, "There is and always was eternal, infinite void, which is simultaneously everything and nothing." Even that is implying certain aspects and saying too much

[How to be wise]

1 hour ago, TheAvatarState said:

@ivankiss Perhaps this is just mental masturbation? "Nothing" and "everything" are concepts. "After" is a concept that implies subject- object duality of time. None of these things actually exist. Maybe the most accurately you could point to this Truth with language would be to say, "There is and always was eternal, infinite void, which is simultaneously everything and nothing." Even that is implying certain aspects and saying too much

All of language is an illusion. All words are merely pointers. Discard the pointers. 

@ivankiss The mind cannot be trusted. Anything that comes out of the mind is automatically false. Keep that in mind!

[ivankiss]

@How to be wise Nothing comes out of the mind, so to speak. It is all awareness.

The mind merely interprets in such way, that it is able to understand, communicate, relate.

I do not blame my mind for it's shallow understanding of infinity. It is learning; evolving. I have a rather lovely relationship with it.

Although it can get stubborn at times 

[ivankiss]

@TheAvatarState The point I wanted to make was that there cannot be only nothing. Nor can there be only everything. 

Yes, I used my point of view while describing this; which is illusory.

Illusion is also real 

That's the point. Yet there is no point.

[How to be wise]

@ivankiss You’re right. The mind shouldn’t be seen as an enemy.

[TheAvatarState]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

Discard the pointers.

Ultimately you'll have to discard them, just like any model or system, but that doesn't mean it isn't useful in order to get closer. Never confuse the map for the territory, but the map IS a helpful guide. Don't discard it until you know the territory like the back of your hand, and keep it around for newbies.

@ivankiss YES!!

...I mean no... 

[How to be wise]

@TheAvatarState you’re right