How evolved is Joe Rogan and people like him?

[Inliytened1]

So i have seen a lot of references to Joe Rogans podcast on here and so i started listening to him.

His show is actually entertaining and i consider him a good source of learning about different celebrities out there and also their thoughts on different topics.

However as great as all of this is i still view it as 2nd order because he does not understand spirituality.  

So his show is great for learning more about the dream..but its still 2nd order to enlightenment and spiritually/mysticism.  

Still he seems to be a very intelligent guy and a guy who is a thinker.  Yet i would still not place him at stage yellow.  He seems to be a highly evolved orange.  I'm not posting this to judge or put down Joe Rogan because i think his show is above everything ive seen from orange yet.  

The interviews are lengthy and they cover often deep and fascinating topics.  So its almost like he is in between the shallow orange stage and the stage of deep wisdom which includes spirituality and enlightenment.  I havent listened to enough of his stuff yet to really see his views on politics but it seems he has absolutely no concept of non-duality and what quantum physics is pointing to even though he has discussed quantum physics on his show before.

He almost reminds me of an intellectual Howard Stern lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2019 by Inliytened1

[Leo Gura]

Joe is a decent guy for what he's doing. You just have to understand that his show is not about spirituality or personal development or truth or consciousness or serious science. It's basically about mainstream gossip. It's a gossip show with some tidbits of wisdom. But also a lot of egotistical nonsense. It's not designed to be a spiritual path. It's designed to be fun gossip. And if you think of it on those terms, it's great. Not everything has to be ultra serious and profound.

But if you expect to become deeply woke listening to his show, then you'll be disappointed.

Relative to other talk show hosts, Joe is pretty wise & evolved. But then again, that's not the highest of bars to clear.

[Forestluv]

That’s a good perspective on Joe. I would add that I think Joe is open-minded, curious and has had a variety of experience. 

I like how the conversation flows with most of his guests. They explore, improvise and go off on random tangents together.

I think Joe can touch yellow when yellow level guests pull him up. Yet it still seems half of it goes over his head. 

[Forestluv]

8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

IWhere Green and Yellow have a baby.

Baby Grellow ? ?

[Arthur]

I think people credit him with much higher developmental stage. He has a talent for appearing neutral and letting other people express themselves, I'll give him that. But he also shares his own world view in the podcasts, which is strongly centered in stage Orange (with occasional glimpses of Green). He resonates with so many people, precisely because of his mainstream western Orange mindset.

Why Orange?
He is very much bought into the materialist paradigm, with the intellectual Dark Web (JP,  Sam Harris, Eric Weinstein etc). He resonates deeply with JP's values. He gossips and discusses people, rather than ideas. His approach to solving problems is still immature, like a kid who says - "well why can't they just play nice together?". Not to mention the whole Macho Red Pill mindset he has. The majority of the discussions feels like two teenagers throwing ideas Friday night while smoking weed.

I think his a great guy, and I still enjoy watching his podcasts occasionally. I see it sort of as entertainment, and maybe to gain insights into the mainstream thought process. 

I don't want to discredit everything that goes in the podcast. He does interview expert people, who have genuine helpful advice. But If you want to go past Orange, the talks won't be providing valuable insights. In my view, it is definitely not a stage Yellow podcast. Compare that to Ken Wilber, Don Beck, Card Jung or Leo's content and draw the conclusion for yourself. Maybe I'm wrong about him, but that's my opinion right now.

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura Do you really think that he is Yellow?

[brugluiz]

I tried to watch some of Joe Rogan's podcasts and I think he's very Orange. I can't understand why some people says he's Yellow. I can't even see him as Green.

[Forestluv]

24 minutes ago, brugluiz said:

I tried to watch some of Joe Rogan's podcasts and I think he's very Orange. I can't understand why some people says he's Yellow. I can't even see him as Green.

I would agree Joe's default level is below Yellow. However, I think Joe is very open-minded and curious. So yellow-level guests are able to pull Joe up to entry level Yellow. Joe generally doesn't try to debate from an Orange level. He is so curious he will explore with the yellow level guest. As well, Joe has experience with psychedelics which has likely dissolved a lot of attachment to Orange level rationalism. And, he has likely had yellow and turquoise level psychedelic experiences. His interview with Steven Kotler is a good example. Joe is very curious about altered states of consciousness such as flow states and the conversation flows into Yellow at several points. Kotler is at a higher conscious level and pulls Joe up.

Spending time within a higher conscious group will accelerate one's evolution. If you want to evolve from green to yellow start hanging out with yellow people/groups - with an open, willing and curious mind.

[brugluiz]

Thank you, @Serotoninluv!

I had psychic experiences, but I'm not sure if it makes me Turquoise. The same is with Joe Rogan. He had psychedelic experiences, but maybe it doesn't make him Yellow neither Turquoise.

The first time I had a psychic experience, I really believed I was going crazy (I was not prepared for such experience because I had a very Orange paradigm). Now that I'm integrating Green paradigm better, I'm starting to understand the experiences I had were psychic experiences that I can develop. But I still have to do a lot of work in order to embrace all the other levels of the spiral and go to a tier-2 paradigm.

Being open-minded doesn't make you centered on tier-2. Maybe you can have a taste of what tier-2 mean, but it won't make you a tier-2 centered person.

But, yeah, I agree that spending time with higher conscious people will help you to evolve through the spiral.

Edit: just read again your post and saw that you agree that Joe Rogan doesn't have a Yellow paradigm as default too. Sorry.

Edited January 17, 2019 by brugluiz

[noselfnofun]

Not sure if its a good idea to stick a label on him green, blue, yellow ect, every day he will be constantly changing on every level small or big. The guy is doing great things so good on him so dose not matter how spiritually evolved he is, only way to truly know would be to live with him for a bit. 

[Mu_]

Joes a pretty open minded guy in my experience.  He's been exposed to a lot.  He's got a good head and decent heart as well.  I think you can learn a lot on his show and he's a pretty good gateway for people somewhere in orange to be exposed and open up to values and views in green/yellow.

[pluto]

Joe is like the Smart guy out of the dumb group of people. He is still very animalistic/primitive in human nature. People have already mentioned the rest about him i mostly also agree with but i would not use the word evolved for someone like Joe. At least in a spiritual sense.

[Jack River]

Spiritual evolution...quit it, I just woke up. To early here for monkey business. 

Edited January 17, 2019 by Jack River

[Rilles]

Probably over 9000

[outlandish]

1 hour ago, Rilles said:

Probably over 9000

Possibly even higher.

[Leo Gura]

On 1/16/2019 at 11:09 AM, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura Do you really think that he is Yellow?

Overall I would put him at Orange/Green. The part in him that I find Yellow is his openmindedness to diverse perspectives.

I mostly used Joe as an example of the multi-perspective aspect of Yellow. But that's far from Yellow's only aspect.

Joe still has a lot of Orange that he needs to transcend.

The deeper I learn about Yellow, the more I see that extremely few people are solidly at Yellow. Yellow is very deep and sophisticated.

[Michael569]

@Leo Gura what do you see as the number 1 factor holding people back from Yellow? 

[martins name]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

what do you see as the number 1 factor holding people back from Yellow? 

deficiency needs.

[Michael569]

Just now, martins name said:

deficiency needs.

won't that be at turquoise? 

[martins name]

@Michael569 Booth i would say. If you feel unsafe you will get stuck on red. If you feel out of controll over your life you will get stuck on blue. If you feel unpopular you will get stuck on orange. 

Yellow is about building new things. You cant do that if you spend all your time reparing a flawed foundation.