are you one with the universe or just the room you're in?

[isabel]

just wondering...

I thought when a person realizes oneness it would be with the whole world or the universe

but it seems to be just what I can see, just the room if I'm inside or if I'm outside it's just as far as I can see

what does that mean? suggestions? thank you!

 

[Preetom]

''the universe'' and ''just the room'' both are thoughts in your mind.

During deep sleep, what are you one with? 

[How to be wise]

@isabel notice that ‘the universe’ is just an image in your mind. It is not in your direct experience, hence it is not real.

Also notice that, what you call ‘this room’ is based on concepts you learned in ‘a past.’ I’m not disagreeing that you are looking at something now, but why are you calling it a room. Notice that, in your mind, you are comparing it with an image of what you know of as a room, and because you find it identical, you stick that picture onto your direct experience, hence calling it a room. 

Look at your room, without comparing it to any mental images. Can you still call it a room? If yes, where did you learn that it is a room. Notice that again, you are comparing it with your ideas of what a room is. 

It’s difficult to explain unless you have some direct experience of it. I myself am only seeing it partially.

[ivankiss]

If you see a room only; that is the whole universe.

And you are it.

[Leo Gura]

@isabel Both!

First you will realize you are the whole room.

Then you will realize you stretch out in all directions and dimensions forever.

You are every room that has ever been or will ever be.

[Barna]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@isabel Both!

First you will realize you are the whole room.

Then you will realize you stretch out in all directions and dimensions forever.

You are every room that has ever been or will ever be.

You mean that you're becoming one with all your memories and all your imaginations, right?  

[isabel]

thanks guys!

so how do you know if you're having a direct experience or if you're just imagining something?

by direct experience I mean realizing a truth and by imagining I mean having a wrong idea about something

should I just keep going and see what happens or...?

[Nahm]

@isabel 

Are you asking how you can know there is more which could be seen beyond what you’re eyes are currently seeing?

And of what is seen, how can you know if you are seeing it directly, or if you are imagining it...?

[isabel]

@Nahm   I was really wondering if what I think I experienced this morning was an actual expanded state of awareness or if I just imagined it

sometimes it seems like things are not things including "me" the body but I don't experience a oneness with the whole universe just with things around me that I can see

also I've watched a ton of videos now so I wonder how do I know that's a real experience or if I just think that now because a video said it would happen

thank you

[Nahm]

@isabel Gotcha, thanks.  

22 minutes ago, isabel said:

sometimes it seems like things are not things including "me" the body but I don't experience a oneness with the whole universe just with things around me that I can see

The mind is holding the truth back with a paper thin veneer, slipping an identity in the back door via “me”.  Look for that me in “I don’t experience a oneness with the whole universe just with things around me that I can see”.   Point to the me that other objects are around. Look for the me everything is around, and the oneness will become more present.   Then, who is the I in, “that I can see” ? 

“also I've watched a ton of videos now so I wonder how do I know that's a real experience or if I just think that now because a video said it would happen”  That strikes me as pretty flexible & open minded. Maybe it’s not one or the other. 

[isabel]

@Nahm hmm okay I will definitely try that, thank you!

thanks again everyone

[Zigzag Idiot]

2 hours ago, isabel said:

thanks guys!

so how do you know if you're having a direct experience or if you're just imagining something?

by direct experience I mean realizing a truth and by imagining I mean having a wrong idea about something

should I just keep going and see what happens or...?

To me it's a beautiful thing that you bring up imagination. Most people are unwilling to honestly do that. 

[Vingger]

room is truth

[WelcometoReality]

16 hours ago, isabel said:

thanks guys!

so how do you know if you're having a direct experience or if you're just imagining something?

by direct experience I mean realizing a truth and by imagining I mean having a wrong idea about something

should I just keep going and see what happens or...?

What you experienced is what you experienced.. Trust in that. Mind will create labels to put on it. No matter what label it tries to put on it mind is trying to make the infinite into something finite. 

The mind wants to know. It tries to dissect and analyze the experience and figure it out? Was it just my imagination or did something profound happen? How do I recreate it? In that way it tries to control the outcome of an experience.