Feeling Unmotivated

[Consept]

Hey guys, don't normally ask for it but any advice would be appreciated. 

Feeling really unmotivated, I've been into self actualisation and non duality for a few years now and I feel like I can see the futileness in everyday pursuits, for the first time I can clearly see that nothing external will fulfill, I knew it logically before but I truly feel it now. This is partly because I've had most of my needs met, financially, relationship wise and everything I felt I wanted, I wanted a business that could support my own place, car etc. I knew these things wouldn't complete me but it was still something to achieve. 

I also have OCD and anxiety and although I wouldn't say I'm free of it I can see the answer is to counter intuitively not respond to it or in other words not do anything. 

So my issue now is I don't know what to do or how to motivate myself, I keep coming up with things to do but I'm not really feeling it. I've had glimpses of no-self and it feels like I should be striving to reach that again but 'you' can't actually get there. So I feel quite lost at the moment as in I don't know what to do with myself, I don't need 'stuff', I can see the futility of most things so what should I even focus on??

[Sahil Pandit]

@Consept Here is a list of techniques i would reccomend you do:

Meditate, journal using One Note, spend time in nature, exercise/go to the gym, work on cleaning up your diet, start a concentration practice, and clean up/build your infrastructure as much as possible.

These techniques all have reward systems built into them, that will reward you and put you into a positive feedback loop if you do them. Also, momentum will be on your side once you get on a streak with them.

Focus on what you could get/what life would feel like if you really nailed these down.

You got this.

Stay strong.

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Sahil Pandit said:

@Consept Here is a list of techniques i would reccomend you do:

Meditate, journal using One Note, spend time in nature, exercise/go to the gym, work on cleaning up your diet, start a concentration practice, and clean up/build your infrastructure as much as possible.

These techniques all have reward systems built into them, that will reward you and put you into a positive feedback loop if you do them. Also, momentum will be on your side once you get on a streak with them.

Focus on what you could get/what life would feel like if you really nailed these down.

You got this.

Stay strong.

Thanks for the advice, tbh though I do a lot of these things, I got to the gym 4 times a week, diets pretty clean, I do intermittent fasting, I meditate and journal although both could be more consistent. They do help definitely and I'm sure if my routine was better it would help even more so, but it feels like something's missing and I don't know what because everything kinda seems empty or hollow. In a way it might be natural progression to see this but I just don't know where to go from here 

[Sahil Pandit]

@Consept Perhaps it's time to radically toward being.

Letting go of the mind, and of control.

The falling away of the false self... ? 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Sahil Pandit

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Sahil Pandit said:

@Consept Perhaps it's time to radically toward being.

Letting go of the mind, and of control.

The falling away of the false self... ? 

You maybe right, what would you suggest to do that?

[Sahil Pandit]

@Consept self inquiry, prayer, spend time in nature, mindfulness with labeling, especially thoughts and feelings about "I"

and lots of do nothing technique. 

[Consept]

6 minutes ago, Sahil Pandit said:

@Consept self inquiry, prayer, spend time in nature, mindfulness with labeling, especially thoughts and feelings about "I"

and lots of do nothing technique. 

Thanks bro will do some of that. You mean mindfulness without labelling right?

[Sahil Pandit]

@Consept Haha no i mean looking at an object and labeling it as "see".

Feeling an object and labeling it as "feel".

Notice the gaps of silence between them.

Hopefully there is non-identification located there.

[Consept]

11 minutes ago, Sahil Pandit said:

@Consept Haha no i mean looking at an object and labeling it as "see".

Feeling an object and labeling it as "feel".

Notice the gaps of silence between them.

Hopefully there is non-identification located there.

Ah ok interesting, I get you. Part of it might be I'm afraid to take that final leap into letting go of control, but I'm the same time I know it's stupid to hold onto to anything or live in delusion so I feel in a sort of self inflicted pergatory

[Sahil Pandit]

@Consept See, sounds like the mind isn't done yet with it's games, yet you're already to move 1 or 2 steps ahead of it.

Watch some Mooji and follow along 

[RichardY]

Satiation does not motivate.

[TheAvatarState]

5 hours ago, Consept said:

Hey guys, don't normally ask for it but any advice would be appreciated. 

So you've known about this amazing resource for years, and you're just now getting to the point where you're asking for advice? Notice that you have this self-image (ego) of identifying as the guy that usually doesn't ask for help. Really try to see this, and how this has no doubt hindered your growth over the years. There are thousands of fellow self-actualizers here that only want to help and grow together! I'm very happy you reached out, and my point is that you should transcend this self-image and keep asking/learning! We're here for you bro.

Your OCD and anxiety are fueled by lack of purpose and vision. It sounds like you are in a good enough financial position to buy Leo's Life Purpose Course... Please do, it'll change your life. I'm currently working through it.

[Gabriel Antonio]

"Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water."

You might have depression, btw. So it'd be good to check that with a good psychiatrist. 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Gabriel Antonio

[ajasatya]

@Consept there is no way out. sit down and let go for real now.

sit down, let go, be small, be smaller, be even smaller, be nothing. then, be content

your presence is enough.

[Consept]

3 hours ago, TheAvatarState said:

So you've known about this amazing resource for years, and you're just now getting to the point where you're asking for advice? Notice that you have this self-image (ego) of identifying as the guy that usually doesn't ask for help. Really try to see this, and how this has no doubt hindered your growth over the years. There are thousands of fellow self-actualizers here that only want to help and grow together! I'm very happy you reached out, and my point is that you should transcend this self-image and keep asking/learning! We're here for you bro.

Your OCD and anxiety are fueled by lack of purpose and vision. It sounds like you are in a good enough financial position to buy Leo's Life Purpose Course... Please do, it'll change your life. I'm currently working through it.

No I agree you're right I do have an ego that kicks in and wants to be the all knowing, completely independent one, which is why I dont really ask for advice even in normal life and normally give it and actually feel lesser for asking which is really dumb tbh. I will make an effort to let this go, any advise on that? 

I will look into getting the life purpose course, I was considering it actually, do you feel it's helped you so far? 

 

3 hours ago, Gabriel Antonio said:

"Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water."

You might have depression, btw. So it'd be good to check that with a good psychiatrist. 

Nah I dont think it's depression as I've had that before, this is definitely on the anxious side but it maybe worth talking to someone 

3 hours ago, ajasatya said:

@Consept there is no way out. sit down and let go for real now.

sit down, let go, be small, be smaller, be even smaller, be nothing. then, be content

your presence is enough.

I'm trying dude, sometimes I feel that truly but other times it feels terrible. 

 

Anyway thanks for all your help guys 

[TheAvatarState]

3 hours ago, Consept said:

No I agree you're right I do have an ego that kicks in and wants to be the all knowing, completely independent one, which is why I dont really ask for advice even in normal life and normally give it and actually feel lesser for asking which is really dumb tbh. I will make an effort to let this go, any advise on that? 

I will look into getting the life purpose course, I was considering it actually, do you feel it's helped you so far? 

That's a great realization, happy you got that far to admit it to yourself. That's powerful.

I would go to the root of this issue within yourself. Track when your started feeling this way (this macho independent person). This is pretty common, and I have experienced something similar myself, as it can feel really lonely on this path and you develop this shell. Your ego has developed a negative reaction to asking for help, as it belittles your ego. Practice humility, not in a degrading way, but a healthy and optimistic way. Think of yourself as really early in your journey, and that you have much to learn. If you practice this, then you'll break away at this shell and you'll be much more eager to ask questions and engage with people. This could help all areas of your life, too, even your task of fully realizing no-self. This is the process of breaking down your ego and expanding your identity, and again, this forum is a perfect resource for finding out how to do that.

Oh yeah, I highly recommend the LP course. I just started it recently so I haven't created my LP yet, but just the concepts, video and book recommendations, and other stuff so far has been great.

[Consept]

3 hours ago, TheAvatarState said:

That's a great realization, happy you got that far to admit it to yourself. That's powerful.

I would go to the root of this issue within yourself. Track when your started feeling this way (this macho independent person). This is pretty common, and I have experienced something similar myself, as it can feel really lonely on this path and you develop this shell. Your ego has developed a negative reaction to asking for help, as it belittles your ego. Practice humility, not in a degrading way, but a healthy and optimistic way. Think of yourself as really early in your journey, and that you have much to learn. If you practice this, then you'll break away at this shell and you'll be much more eager to ask questions and engage with people. This could help all areas of your life, too, even your task of fully realizing no-self. This is the process of breaking down your ego and expanding your identity, and again, this forum is a perfect resource for finding out how to do that.

Oh yeah, I highly recommend the LP course. I just started it recently so I haven't created my LP yet, but just the concepts, video and book recommendations, and other stuff so far has been great.

See even when you say that my ego, is like 'no I'm not early on my journey I've been doing this for years', I have been it's true but that doesn't mean I havent got lots to learn and progress to make. 

I guess how I grew up it was quite a macho kind of environment, but I have moved away from that for a while now. Also my father wasn't really around and my mum was working a lot so I created I kind of defensive shell. Also I started developing OCD from a young age, didn't realise at the time, and it was sometimes around worrying about not being masculine enough or questioning my sexuality, so probably created more of an ego. 

I still get these as well although I can see them a bit clearer for what they are. I've had a couple of experiences of no self which were quite amazing but also made me really want to get out of the times that I'm anxious because I knew that was the answer. But I feel like I've gone backward in the last few months spiritually.

Anyway not to turn this into a councilling session but I appreciate you listening and your time