Meditation Plateau

[Rilles]

Think Ive been there for about 2 months... It just hit me now... Thoughts have been coming up like

•It used to be so much fun to meditate,

•I feel frightened, Im losing my marbles

•my mind is not calm at all anymore,

•my technique is/has become real shitty should i change it?

•whats even the point of meditation, maybe i should just quit for good

 

 

BUT! 

Power through it and youll find power through it

Edited January 12, 2019 by Rilles

[Nahm]

@Rilles Reiki?

[Rilles]

26 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Rilles Reiki?

What do you mean? Should i try it? Dont know much about it

[Mart]

Stopping throughout the day to meditate on the breath for 5 minutes a couple of times works wonders when i meditate for 30 minutes twice a day. Kriya yoga has also helped me out. Also, when i do long sessions a couple times a week, that silencing benefit stays with me pretty much all the time (90/120min sessions). The nootropic L-theanine also works calming on my mind. Research shows it induces alpha brainwaves which are associated with meditative states. And, ofcourse, keep pushing it. 

[Jack River]

Do you have some sort of a goal here?

[Charlotte]

@Rilles constant reference to the past 

Realise rilles it's merely another thought(s)

[Rilles]

7 minutes ago, Jack River said:

Do you have some sort of a goal here?

Wellbeing I guess

[Rilles]

5 minutes ago, Charlotte said:

@Rilles constant reference to the past 

Realise rilles it's merely another thought(s)

Could you elaborate?

[Nahm]

@Rilles Schedule a few sessions man. Energy work can revitalize meditation in an astounding way. Especially given you’ve never tried it. I’m jelly. 

[Jack River]

5 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Wellbeing I guess

Healthy living. That’s a great reason. How does meditation habit fit into that? Perhaps habit (monkey business-compulsive thought chatter) is causing the conflict. We depend on habits to end what habits have reinforced.

perhaps we have no foundation(freedom) to meditate in the first place. 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Jack River

[Charlotte]

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

It used to be so much fun to meditate,

•I feel frightened, Im losing my marbles

•my mind is not calm at all anymore,

•my technique is/has become real shitty should i change it?

Constant contrast to the past:

I used

my mind is not calm anymore

technique has become shitty. 

Comparing the now (which is perfect by the way) to the past (concept) which will make you feel shitty (hence your last comment...

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

whats even the point of meditation, maybe i should just quit for good

Realise Rilles all you saying is merely JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT. 

[Jack River]

We tend to skip out on self knowledge. Which is the foundation. Can we take a break from habit (put it aside for now) and explore how self works within the field of habit? 

 With self knowledge we may not any longer try and use the monkey to expand for ourselves an extended sense of space. We may see that whatever the monkey does to create space inherently limits itself to a confirmed/limited space. 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Jack River

[Rilles]

10 minutes ago, Charlotte said:

Constant contrast to the past:

I used

my mind is not calm anymore

technique has become shitty. 

Comparing the now (which is perfect by the way) to the past (concept) which will make you feel shitty (hence your last comment...

Realise Rilles all you saying is merely JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT. 

Hm... interesting... What Ive noticed in myself is that the thoughts always start with a “negative” emotional energy in my stomach... Perhaps Im just reacting to that energy. When my mind wanders off to think about something else the enegy dissipates... it goes up and down... just thoughts and emotions... what else is there... Thank you??

[Jack River]

Maybe by employing the monkey(habit-reaction) the monkey is destined to remain.

Will monkey business put a stop to monkey business? ? 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Jack River

[Rilles]

6 minutes ago, Jack River said:

We tend to skip out on self knowledge. Which is the foundation. Can we take a break from habit (put it aside for now) and explore how self works within the field of habit? 

 With self knowledge we may not any longer try and use the monkey to expand for ourselves an extended sense of space. We may see that whatever the monkey does to create space inherently limits itself to a confirmed/limited space. 

Meditation is self-knowledge for me, thats the time when I can sit back and watch how the mechanisms work.

How to not “use” the monkey mind? Its always there even if I focus on my breath, it always returns eventually.

Edited January 12, 2019 by Rilles

[Jack River]

Just now, Rilles said:

Meditation is self-knowledge for me, thats the time when I can sit back and watch how the mechanisms work.

I see. So what is the problem then? 

2 minutes ago, Rilles said:

How to not “use” the monkey mind?

Are you aware of all the ways the monkey operates? 

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Jack River said:

I see. So what is the problem then? 

Are you aware of all the ways the monkey operates? 

Yes and no. I know alot but obviously its very tricky so theres always more to learn. One year of daily meditation is a good start though. Like I said before Ive noticed recently how it wanders from fears to regular everyday thoughts so in a sense thats a comfort. Fear comes and goes and I remain.

[Jack River]

3 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Like I said before Ive noticed recently how it wanders from fears to regular everyday thoughts so in a sense thats a comfort

Do you think fear(reaction) and thought are really one unit in movement? Like they are not different at all? 

And do you designate a routine to do this, or are you always meditating in your daily life? As in do you observe yourself in relationship. Relationship to your pleasure/desires and relationship with others?

[Rilles]

46 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Rilles Schedule a few sessions man. Energy work can revitalize meditation in an astounding way. Especially given you’ve never tried it. I’m jelly. 

Sounds intriguing... Im down for some woo woo energy stuff??✋?⚡️

[Jack River]

8 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Fear comes and goes and I remain.

What if fear is the I? 

Edited January 12, 2019 by Jack River