UNspirituality

[Richard Alpert]

I appreciate that he is trying to wake up people from the trance and from the bozos.

 

[Shadowraix]

@Emanyalpsid The confusion is quite simple. It has to do with the word consciousness. You do know a single word can hold multiple meanings yeah? In spirituality this points to the fundamental substance of everything. But you still interpret it in the traditional sense localized to the human bodys functions. 

In spirituality consciousness was there even before life even formed. So the end of consciousness in relation to humans or life in general really has no bearing here. We are made out of and created by consciousness. And when we as egos die consciousness will continue to manifest itself.

Consider reality the creation of a bigger infinite mind on the same way you can generate people living their lives in their head convinced of their reality. You are really no different.

Edited January 13, 2019 by Shadowraix

[Emanyalpsid]

@Shadowraix Okay that is confusing, so it is what we call reality?

What do you call the experience when an impulse from out of your body touches a sense organ?

Edited January 13, 2019 by Emanyalpsid

[GabrielWallace]

Unfortunately when I encountered one of this guy's videos I reacted hastily and wrote a comment that wasn't entirely thought-out and probably did a bit of a disservice to Leo's teachings. That's something I very seldom do - I am usually rather meticulous about the way I choose my words. But there was something about the bravado nature of the guy's ignorance that triggered me in the moment and drove me to immediately try to call it as I saw it. And I know my comment lacked the depth of articulation that should have been there.

In any case, I don't think the guy himself would have listened, whatever I'd said. I think he does what he does as a form of self-deception. You can tell by the way he presents his arguments and even by the way he responds to criticism. I don't know his whole backstory, but the little I do know leads me to believe that he stumbled on his own spiritual path so many times that he felt betrayed by his own spiritual teachers and became bitter at spiritual teaching itself. He now spends a lot of time and effort trying to debunk spiritual teachers. He's convinced himself of this 'unspiritual' ideology and made it his whole identity - to the point of making YouTube videos to present to the world. He's actually convinced himself that he's helping people by doing this, but all of it is an ego construction built in order to dwell in the facade that 'there is nothing more to pursue'.

This is my take on it. But who cares what my opinions are about him, really... I don't know him and I could be wrong. It's not meant to be a scathing criticism of him - just my analysis, for what that's worth.

[Cody_Atzori]

Sometimes I get angry when I watch him then I rememeber to practice uncontional love so I just laugh and see the beauty

[Shadowraix]

On 1/13/2019 at 6:55 AM, Emanyalpsid said:

@Shadowraix Okay that is confusing, so it is what we call reality?

What do you call the experience when an impulse from out of your body touches a sense organ?

In the bigger picture that too is just a manifestation of consciousness. Formless taking form. 

We can still use the word consciousness in relation to the human mind. Context is key here! In this work all the words that are used are really approximations. When you discover consciousness as reality people have said many words for it. Void, God, Dao etc. Personal preference here. At the end of the day it all points to the same thing. Whatever this reality truly is. 

I never saw your reply but since there was a bump figure I'd respond in case you see it. 

[Shadowraix]

@Joseph Maynor Nice to see you back. (: 

[Aeris]

it's when you totaly lost your mind after having focused so hard on it, that you kind of get the shocking electric truth.

 but I m still having the ego trying to fix me to the ideas of an identity:ideas and others bs to makes sense of my own nothingness.

All this to say, spirituality and enlightment is not mere philosophy, it's an erazing of the OS of the brain, where most "materialist" tend to add software or hardware. Stacking shit on each others ( as I did for years ).

the change is not material, the change could be seen as like surviving from a gun shot at 1 meter of the head.

if you don't feel it, this means there is no awakening, only a pile of new delusion stacked. True awakening, you know you could have go straight to mental hospital, if you didn't experienced this kind of threat on your ego. Not an awakening. - to my experience and what I've read extensively.

true enlightment, what leo didn't truly said, is not about "reducing suffering" like a magic pills.

it's about provoking a shift in consciousness ( with violence ) but this violence allow "love".

 

of course it needs concepts to road in the maze ( what leo provided very well, and should be thanked for, what most esoteric chart try to point to aswell )

 

I fully awake after multiple dosage of 5Ht2A activated for a month, then BIG dark night of the soul.

I tend to go violent, then tender when it comes to know thyself and the law of reality, at first it sounds like a childish play with words.

You cannot understand this work if you just lack of the first thing, "being open minded about people views", and having a quest for understanding reality itself.

 

This month I'm killing completely the thought identity remaining, will work on my "being"/kill my infinite boredom and met my higher purpose.

 

here what we do as a metaphor is purging the entire OS.

 

Unspirituality is just a belief, maybe spirituality is aswell a belief, ho what, everything is ? what is a belief ?

All words are mainly belief, symbols, we all can only know "truth" when we see it and get it for thyself.

You don't need psychedelics, but in our fixed mind society, they are a good way to radical work on your openness to "esoteric ideas/spirituality".

Edited June 5, 2019 by Aeris