My Weekly Acid Trips

[TheWokestMan]

For 2 months or so, I've been tripping acid weekly. The doses so far have been between 115uq-345uq. Every time I trip and meditate I feel like I "break through". The whole universe makes perfect sense and it's so simple. However, when I come off the trip I lose the insights. I'm always hoping that perhaps this time something sticks but it never does. My trips are basically spiritual entertainment for me now. Id like to bring something back. Any suggestions anyone? I usually trip in my bed with eyes closed. After the peak, I usually start getting too uncomfortable and start moving around and the profound part of tripping is over. I trip in the evenings so no one would contact me. Is there a difference if you trip when you've stayed up like 12 hours already or when you've just woken up?

I'm 22 and I go to college. I hate it but I hate working even more. I'm also an internet addict, a porn addict, I eat like trash, drink too much and I'm pretty lethargic. Last 2 weeks however I've started hitting the gym, cleaned out my diet and I'm drinking less. Send help pls!

[AlwaysBeNice]

Practice honesty, meditate sober, and see how much you can stay awake during sleep.

[Aaron p]

@TheWokestMan i had my first acid trip ever yesterday. Quite like how your saying here, everything made complete sense and then I lost the insights. I always lose the insights, but I have a strategy for remembering them. You have to catch yourself half way through having an insight and just turn it into a thought as fast as you can like BOOM...thought. I got three deepenings of my spiritual understanding from yesterday alone I took 200ug and I was trippin Ballz for like 12 hours lol. Was super fun, best high I ever experienced.im Gona do 5meo soon to looking forward to that.

But yo, see with the whole 'forgetting insights' thing...getting enlightened (I think) is meant to be a subconscious thing...through meditation and diligent practise your simply showing your subconscious the truth, but you can't force your subconscious to have a moment of realisation and awakening, I think it has to sort of choose itself when it's Gona happen. I think the best thing to do would be to just do the daily practises and trust the process that it'll eventually work. It's hard. 

But one of the insights I got during my 200ug trip was that enlightenment is worth every last drop of your effort and that even if it took a hundred lifetimes to get enlightened, it would still be worth it a hundred fold. Something within me grasps very deeply the undivided importantance of enlightenment. But I realise now why leo says only 1% get it...it's SUPER frustrating, not even knowing if your doing item right half the time. I trust God and his guidance it's my most powerful tool

[TheWokestMan]

@Aaron p Thanks for the response. I've also thought about the enlightenment being an unconscious thing. I'm hoping that my trips are molding my nervous system to be more accepting to enlightenment or sth like that. I'd really like to get my hands on 5MeO but I'm too scared about customs. Anyways have a fun journey.

[pluto]

Insights stay with you if you give adequate time to integrate and apply what you remember during the experience on a daily basis. Eventually you become naturally insightful as you apply more and more of what you learn. Pen n paper helps and meditation is crucial. Belief system also plays a role.

[Leo Gura]

@TheWokestMan If the trips are as profound as you say they are, they should be changing how you see the world, even if you can't be in that peak state all the time.

It sounds like you just need to do a lot more contemplation, meditation, yoga, self-inquiry, and basic development work. LSD is a catalyst for all that.

Pouring fuel on a fire only works if there is already a fire.

[Arhattobe]

“Profound psychedelics insights” are nice, but won’t give you a clear sober perspective nor enlightenment.

At best they crush old belief systems and paradigms and create contradictory new ones. Stop the psychedelics.

Most enlightened people meditated and spent a long time in contemplation.

Shortcuts do not exist. 

Id also like to add that if anything at this point your psychedelics trips are burning out your nervous system. As opposed to anything positive.

[TheWokestMan]

@pluto @Leo Gura @Arhattobe

Thanks lads

[Lynnel]

@TheWokestMan 

LSD has a two week tolerance. Usually it means that it's a great idea to wait 2 week to integrate your trips. Tripping too much without doing any work on the sidelines and no integration won't make you progress that much.

[Forestluv]

3 hours ago, Arhattobe said:

“Profound psychedelics insights” are nice, but won’t give you a clear sober perspective nor enlightenment.

At best they crush old belief systems and paradigms and create contradictory new ones. Stop the psychedelics.

This sounds vague and assumptive to me. What is your direct experience with psychedelics?

[Arhattobe]

@Serotoninluv I have done 5 meo around 7-10 times. NN once. Mushrooms a few times, among other psychedelics like lsa.

Have also been in non duality for a number of years. 

As evidence of what I am saying. I hit non duality without psychedelics, insights trickled in later. In a sober way and we’re expanded upon with clarity, but many do psychedelics regularly. With profound insights and experiences. Without a permanent non dual shift. 

These insights are then hijacked and perverted by the egoic blockages one has and they lead to distorted and fantastical perspectives. Ungrounded in the full picture. 

Even people in non duality can be guilty of this to varying degree. Hence there being stages in enlightenment, but if you aren’t even in it. 

Thats a whole another story.

[Forestluv]

@Arhattobe

Of course psychedelics can be misused and will not aid all seekers. Yet, the same could be said of any tool. 

It seems like you are projecting a slice of truth as generalized truth. This is a story your mind has made up about psychedelics. 

I’m not saying what you write about psychedelics is “wrong”. Yet, I think it’s a relatively narrow black-white perspective that is not open to the bigger picture.

[Arhattobe]

@Serotoninluv Not true. I speak from a large sample size. This forum. Other psychonauts. 

Its a similar thing to stoners. They think they have profound knowledge when they discover some “truths” but they are vastly hijacked and distorted by their lack of sobriety. Ego, and issues. 

So the biggest of truth can’t shine, and get lost in an ocean of garbage disguised and acting as truth.

I’ll also add other tools don’t have the potential to be as damaging. Shunyamurti also talks how some psychedelic users that go to him have “fried” their system and need a lot of healing.

 

This is not an attack btw. Nor am I saying psychedelics have no possible positives or benefits, but the amount of benefit they can bring to one’s path is vastly overestimated on here, and how damaging they can be underestimated,

Edited December 29, 2018 by Arhattobe

[Forestluv]

3 hours ago, Arhattobe said:

@Serotoninluv Not true. I speak from a large sample size. This forum. Other psychonauts. 

Its a similar thing to stoners. They think they have profound knowledge when they discover some “truths” but they are vastly hijacked and distorted by their lack of sobriety. Ego, and issues. 

So the biggest of truth can’t shine, and get lost in an ocean of garbage disguised and acting as truth.

I’ll also add other tools don’t have the potential to be as damaging. Shunyamurti also talks how some psychedelic users that go to him have “fried” their system and need a lot of healing.

 

This is not an attack btw. Nor am I saying psychedelics have no possible positives or benefits, but the amount of benefit they can bring to one’s path is vastly overestimated on here, and how damaging they can be underestimated,

I don’t think it’s about being pro or anti-psychedelic. A mature holistic view based on extensive research and experience will integrate pros and cons and understand the relativity of those pros and cons. As well, a holistic view would integrate psychedelics into a well-rounded spiritual life that also includes practices such as yoga, contemplation, therapy, meditation, retreats etc. Again, depending on the person and their stage of spiritual maturity. 

I agree with you that psychedelics are often counter-productive with people that are spiritually immature.

The OP stated positive changes to his mind and body. Statements like “ if anything at this point your psychedelics trips are burning out your nervous system. As opposed to anything positive.” are based on assumption. While I see risks in weekly psychedelic consumption and generally consider it unwise and unsustainable, studies have shown psychedelics to be among the least harmful substances. As well, research published in the highest level scientific journals have shown psychedelics to improve neural functioning by stimulating neurite growth, synaptic strength and neural plasticity.

In contrast, psychedelics can also be ineffective, misleading and counter-productive. Especially for young users that are spiritually immature. When misused, psychedelics can be damaging. Yet, psychedelics are not inherently harmful - it is context dependent. 

As well, I would be cautious about assumming psychedelics as the sole causative agent of personal problems that may arise after its use. It’s more complicated than that. There are many input variables that need to be considered. 

[Forestluv]

@TheWokestMan I would be cautious about tripping in the 115-345ug range weekly. The tolerance reset is about 12 days. As well, the “magic” generally declines with weekly tripping in that range. It’s just not sustainable. 

Perhaps consider doing micro/mini dose 3X monthly and a strong dose 1X monthly and work to integrate with contemplation and kriya yoga. This may help raise your baseline conscious level.

[TheAvatarState]

@TheWokestMan the thing holding you back is your lifestyle and lack of vision. I'd know, since I was in a similar situation not too long ago... You don't realize how destructive that is until you get outside it. 

[AlwaysBeNice]

On 12/30/2018 at 0:42 AM, Arhattobe said:

@Serotoninluv I have done 5 meo around 7-10 times. NN once. Mushrooms a few times, among other psychedelics like lsa.

Have also been in non duality for a number of years. 

As evidence of what I am saying. I hit non duality without psychedelics, insights trickled in later. In a sober way and we’re expanded upon with clarity, but many do psychedelics regularly. With profound insights and experiences. Without a permanent non dual shift. 

These insights are then hijacked and perverted by the egoic blockages one has and they lead to distorted and fantastical perspectives. Ungrounded in the full picture. 

Even people in non duality can be guilty of this to varying degree. Hence there being stages in enlightenment, but if you aren’t even in it. 

Thats a whole another story.

??

What insights could there be gained after 'hitting nonduality', there are no insights regarding 'the truth' afaik, except maybe to say that all is a perception

Insights to me sound more like only being relevant to our personal life, like i.e. : 'oh shit, all this heroin I'm shooting is really messing up my life and that of my mom's, oh that's really not what I want' 

[Arhattobe]

@AlwaysBeNice Imagine non duality is a game. You can play it on an Atari. Pixelated mess, but the essence is kind of there. 

Then you play it on a ps1, ps2, ps3 and so on.

Depth and clarity increase dramatically.

Which is why teachers that are in beginning stages deny and reject relative life and the truths it carries as “ego”. Throwing out the baby with the bath water. They lack immense depth. Can’t really see clearly. Too pixelated. Too perverted through their filters that have a ton of issues and karmic gunk.

VS The Buddha or Other famous figures that emphasise compassion, don’t make blanket statements and see great nuance and meaning in life.

The insights that are gained basically are the increasing depth and clarity, and lack of perversion of the full picture. It’s way more meaningful that that though

Edited December 31, 2018 by Arhattobe

[AlwaysBeNice]

3 minutes ago, Arhattobe said:

@AlwaysBeNice Imagine non duality is a game. You can play it on an Atari. Pixelated mess, but the essence is kind of there. 

Then you play it on a ps1, ps2, ps3 and so on.

Depth and clarity increase dramatically.

Which is why teachers that are in beginning stages deny and reject relative life and the truths it carries as “ego”. Throwing out the baby with the bath water. They lack immense depth. Can’t really see clearly. Too pixelated. Too perverted through their filters that have a ton of issues and karmic gunk.

VS The Buddha or Other famous figures that emphasise compassion, don’t make blanket statements and see great nuance and meaning in life.

The insights that are gained basically are the increasing depth and clarity, and lack of perversion of the full picture. It’s way more meaningful that that though

Yeah nah, sure conscious experience can deepen, and maybe you can see things in people that can help them, but people's beliefs are not real, just like 'insights',

By the way, I was just writing this, speaking of a trip, and to hugely contradict myself:)

Shunyamurti's blurt on psychedelics seems so false

I do agree that often people who use psychedelics can get hung up on false views, they have a (forced) glimpse and think they've seen it all, understandably so given a (first) glimpse can be so huge, I was one of them

And that psychedelics can cause some extra turbulence, as the spiritual path it self just also can often do;  feeling emotional and apparent mental disturbance..

But 'frying the system', if he said that at all, I think I remember he said in the BATGP interview 'a destroyed subtle body', or some crap like that.. that I find just weird and wrong. 

The subtle body is just like thought, if it can even be said it exists at all.. a dream body, tied to thoughts-feelings, and ultimately the 'physical body' as well, though there may be some difference in regards to collective reality or something, making the apparent physical body a bit more sturdy or something

But the dream body can't really be hurt, (again if it even can be said to exist at all),  it can be anxious or disturbed, and cause physical chaos or disturbance in the body, (so in that sense, yes, it may have been '''damaged'', but not really at all, to think of that body it self as 'broken' just sounds like spooky bs)

Oh well, as Shunyamurti does rightly say: 'Silence, the path and the goal'.

[Arhattobe]

@AlwaysBeNice I damaged my own energetic system due to psychedelics, and have personally worked with dozens of people who have went through the same thing. 

It wasn’t all bad but yep.

If you step on an enlightened persons feet, they will feel pain, and if you damage the energetic system of a person. They will be damaged. 

People on here and some non dual teachers that don’t experience other facets of reality and their affect on us might easily dismiss these realities, but the very people you look up to absolutely acknowledge their existence. 

Sadhguru, Ramana, Yogananda (the person that popularised kriya yoga) 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Arhattobe