Depressed by my perfect IQ score

[lmfao]

@clouffy When it comes to looking at someones mental functioning overall, IQ is probably something to look at. I think that not having a high IQ would not matter for a lot of things provided that other facets of your mind are good. One thing I think IQ likely does not account for is deeply rooted intuition which masters of a particular field tap into and build. That sort of thing isn't fleshed out by an IQ test. Anecdotally I'm biased and feel IQ tests are a bit bullshit. Throughout my life I have always been bad at english academically compared to mathematics and science, yet when I took an IQ test I scored substantially better in verbal facets of IQ in contrast to non-verbal and mathematical facets of IQ.

The usefulness of looking at studies showing what IQ is correlated with when trying to understand yourself is ,in my opinion, less than the usefulness of just looking at yourself directly. Who cares what's true on average, look for what's true about you individually. 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2018 by lmfao

[VioletFlame]

42 minutes ago, lmfao said:

@clouffy One thing I think IQ likely does not account for is deeply rooted intuition which masters of a particular field tap into and build.

Exactly dude. Intuitive intelligence is what should've been one of the most primary, basic tools one should have learned, strengthened and focused on from the very beginning of education.

Intuition is so powerful and so wise and much more useful for any given situation in life, including in every day life. It is key and much more necessary over any ridiculous number on an IQ test. Think about how much pain, depression, sickness and tension one can release or prevent simply from becoming more conscious of their body alone and the signals coming from their intuitive guidance system, or enteric nervous system, the second brain.

Exercising and strengthening one's intuition is perhaps one of the most significant practices in which anyone could benefit from in life. Intuition is literally your only ally at the end of the day. It is your inner-compass. Once you befriend your intuition and not only just treat it as an acquaintance, but get to know it, learn from it, and trust it, you will be able to access it anywhere at any time and never second guess it or doubt it simply because it is your inner-truth, your second nature, and accessing it will gradually become second nature, no thinking needed. ♥

Edited December 29, 2018 by VioletFlame

[lmfao]

@VioletFlame

2 hours ago, VioletFlame said:

Exactly dude. Intuitive intelligence is what should've been one of the most primary, basic tools one should have learned, strengthened and focused on from the very beginning of education.

Intuition is so powerful and so wise and much more useful for any given situation in life, including in every day life. It is key and much more necessary over any ridiculous number on an IQ test.

It's the intuitive feeling you have about your craft that makes it beautiful to engage in. It's the sort of thing no-one can put into words. 

2 hours ago, VioletFlame said:

Think about how much pain, depression, sickness and tension one can release or prevent simply from becoming more conscious of their body alone and the signals coming from their intuitive guidance system, or enteric nervous system, the second brain.

Exercising and strengthening one's intuition is perhaps one of the most significant practices in which anyone could benefit from in life. Intuition is literally your only ally at the end of the day. It is your inner-compass. Once you befriend your intuition and not only just treat it as an acquaintance, but get to know it, learn from it, and trust it, you will be able to access it anywhere at any time and never second guess it or doubt it simply because it is your inner-truth, your second nature, and accessing it will gradually become second nature, no thinking needed. ♥

So true lol. What I will say is that even if one is in a meditative state with low monkey mind activity you will still have to "think" about your activity to be competent at the activity if you aren't a master at the activity.

 

[eleveneleven]

9 hours ago, clouffy said:

but Jordan Peterson said these were corrupted concepts

What, is Jordan Peterson Jesus now? Think for yourself, and fuck what Jordan Peterson says. Parse reality's information for yourself, not through someone else's lens. Dealing with your own biases is hard enough as it is.

And if you took this IQ test online or something, it's probably bullshit. All that an IQ test tells you anyway is how good you are at taking an IQ test. Results can vary from day to day and time of day. What it measures is also a very narrow type of intelligence.

Looks like you attach a part of your ego to being "smart," and have swallowed the bullshit that IQ is a good indicator of whether or not someone is "smart," and the blow to your ego has now affected your ability to work. Good. Strip yourself of that part of your ego before it takes over your life. It sucks to go through life thinking that you're special and smart, believe me. The smack from reality only gets harder the longer you go down that path.

Better to be dumb as a box of rocks and in tune with the flow of reality, than "smart" and arrogant. What's the point of an IQ test, anyway, if not solely to be pompous and self-aggrandizing? To divide people up in categories of "less than me" and "more than me"?

Why do you even need to know how "smart" you are, even if it could somehow be measured? How does that serve you? Just do what you do to the best of your ability.

I honestly wish I had never been given standardized tests as a child. They made me arrogant. They made me think that only one kind of intelligence was needed to deal with reality, and that's dead wrong.

[Sockrattes]

Jordan Peterson is not as smart as he thinks he is. Sure he can be very inspirational when you are 15-25 years old but after that you should start to recognise his limits.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Sockrattes

[Not me]

If you really think IQ is that important go out there and improve it. It is not set in stone and with practice you can raise your IQ score by a lot (according to some studies over 20 points). Reading a lot of different material will improve your so called crystallized intelligence and practicing meditation will improve your fluid intelligence. Both are important. 

Also I want to mention that there is a theory that greater brain entropy causes higher intelligence due to more flexibility in neural networks which leads to more flexible thinking. They have found out that substances like caffeine and psychedelics are able to increase this entropy in the brain. So perhaps experiment with microdosing too if you are open to it.

I have a high IQ score and I really believe that reading a lot and meditating have helped me immensely . I also want to mention that what I see as very important is the state in which the biological functioning of your body is at. When your biology works really well, your brain does too. Which leads fo direct increase in intelligence. You can improve your biological functioning by eating properly, optimizing your circadian rhythm and using short term hormetic stressors such as cold showers, saunas and exercise to strengten your body’s functioning.

 

Do some research about these topics and apply them and your IQ will increase for sure.

Also I couldn’t agree more with detaching your self worth from yout IQ and harnessing your intuition but I also want you to know that your IQ can change if you so choose.

Edited December 29, 2018 by Not me

[sarapr]

13 hours ago, clouffy said:

@Rilles @BjarkeT but Jordan Peterson said these were corrupted concepts

and Richard Hayer's book on intelligence also reflected that IQ and g factor are far more predictive of career and job sastifaction than Gardener's multiple intelligence and mere conscientiousness. mere hardwork does not get you anywhere

Intelligence is not even clearly defined let alone tests which would indicate the score of intelligence. Intelligence is highly dependent upon cultural, educational, social factors which are simply impossible to be taken into account through a simple test. 

Science has never been completely error free, it's changing all the time and at this moment science is in the time of being way off the road in truly assessing intelligence and its complete effect and association with life success and one might even argue about what success even means? Just money related or career wise or happiness levels or spiritual and personal growth, what is success? and if you're just talking about money well there are a lot of examples of stupid rich people like trump while some smarter people might be pursuing things which would never make them known or rich to even be taken into account. So basically it's all just bullshit, there are so many things to be taken account which are totally thrown out the window because it's impossible to work with it in researches like this.

By the way @clouffy which test did you take?

Edited December 30, 2018 by sarapr

[CreamCat]

11 hours ago, Krisena said:

100 (50th percentile) and 150 (99.9th+ percentile) is a massive difference.

How much absolute difference is there between IQ 100 and IQ 150? It depends on the population. In a certain population, the difference between IQ 100 and IQ 150 would be very small. The kid who had to spend months to learn music theory could have been a lazy kid who was not motivated or a kid who didn't have enough knowledge to understand it.

I care about absolute difference, not relative ranking.

There's a limit in improving the human brain. Everybody has a similar brain except for psychopaths and the like.

The real game changer would be the direct connections between human brains and AIs. We will enhance our brains by connecting them with AI modules in the 21st century. Then, any person whose IQ is 150 now would look like a person of IQ 60 in comparison.

Edited December 30, 2018 by CreamCat

[clouffy]

@sarapr WAIS

[sarapr]

55 minutes ago, clouffy said:

@sarapr WAIS

That one is so stupid. anyone with a little bit of background in math can do it in a split second, but if someone hasn't done any math in years like most people they wouldn't have a clue as to how to do it in such a short time and it's basically assessing sth which can be changed so dramatically with a little bit of math practice. It's so stupid what that shit is even assessing 

[ajasatya]

intellectual pride = tons of suffering

[Sockrattes]

30 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

intellectual pride = tons of suffering

How can i end suffering then?

[ajasatya]

1 minute ago, Sockrattes said:

How can i end suffering then?

learn to explore the spaces between thoughts.

the highest states of awe are thoughtless.

the mind is just a tool. why would you fall in love with a hammer?

[Sockrattes]

3 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

learn to explore the spaces between thoughts.

the highest states of awe are thoughtless.

the mind is just a tool. why would you fall in love with a hammer?

Are you enlightened?

[ajasatya]

2 minutes ago, Sockrattes said:

Are you enlightened?

i am here to help you.

[Sockrattes]

9 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

i am here to help you.

Please don't feel offended but I wonder why I should just believe you. In the end if you are wrong about what you are saying i'm the one who's going to suffer, right?!

So the question is: What exactly is this truth?!

Do I even want to know? Or don't I know anymore because I didn't want to know?

[Rilles]

Heres an eye-opening video about how relative mathemical/logical IQ is. He went to Harvard...

[ajasatya]

1 minute ago, Sockrattes said:

Please don't feel offended but I wonder why I should just believe you. In the end if you are wrong about what you are saying i'm the one who's going to suffer, right?!

So the question is: What exactly is this truth?!

Do I even want to know? Or don't I know anymore because I didn't want to know?

please do not just believe me blindly. enlightenment is a reproducible experiment thus you can see for yourself.

Truth is your True Nature, way beyond your imaginary self-image. i wouldn't say that you want to know because IT can't be known the way we usually know things (by concepts). i'd say that you want to experience IT.

this is a highly intellectual forum and the Message may be obfuscated by far-fetched words.

[Sockrattes]

7 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

please do not just believe me blindly. enlightenment is a reproducible experiment thus you can see for yourself.

Truth is your True Nature, way beyond your imaginary self-image. i wouldn't say that you want to know because IT can't be known the way we usually know things (by concepts). i'd say that you want to experience IT.

this is a highly intellectual forum and the Message may be obfuscated by far-fetched words.

To go beyond thoughts and explore my true nature i first have to believe that it is worth exploring. So i have to believe you blindly initially. How can i be sure this is no trap?

[ajasatya]

10 minutes ago, Sockrattes said:

To go beyond thoughts and explore my true nature i first have to believe that it is worth exploring. So i have to believe you blindly initially. How can i be sure this is no trap?

no harm is intended.