I discovered that thoughts themselves don't have any value

[Ampresus]

Maybe this sounds stupid to some people, but it is something I discovered today during meditation. As I was sitting there and constantly noticing how much my mind was drifting away, I was specifically thinking about the thoughts. Therefore I am thinking about myself. I discovered that when the long sit made my legs hurt and I told myself ''oh my god this hurts so much'' it in fact hurt so much. When I said ''This doesn't hurt'', the pain backed off a little bit. When I tried to not think, I accepted the pain and therefore released it.

What I mean is that thoughts themselves don't seem to have any value. It is specifically the effects they have on people that seems to let them look powerful, well in reality they can be manipulated so easy that it was a shock for me. This ultimately means that if a thought doesn't have a value, so doesn't everything you seemed to care about with your heart and soul. For example: You say you care about your family. Personally, because of my stage Blue youth, I have been told many times that I should really care about family (and Allah). This resulted in me believing that I actually do that (caring about my family and Allah). While in reality that is just a thought being repeated over and over again just so I buy into it. True care isn't accomplished by believing your own thoughts, therefore most ''care'' in the world is false. All association with thought seems to be false when you look it this way, therefore... this entire world is fake! Even this forum hahahah.

Right now I am getting a little bit confused with myself. Please 'enlighten' me about this.

[Anton Rogachevski]

@Ampresus Congratulations! Now you have a superpower, you may bend reality to your benefit. 

[Shadowraix]

I remember watching a video on programming the subconscious and the guy in it mentioned a quote that was something like "Give me a child until age 7 and I will show you the man'

Because the subconscious builds its program mostly within the first 7 years of life. It learns through repetition. We sort of work like neural network AIs.

With this knowledge you can build habits and program yourself to follow your authentic desires.

[TheAvatarState]

@Ampresus embrace confusion, paradox, and not knowing. 

[lmfao]

@Ampresus yeah I've had a similar insight. The thoughts in your head have no more truth value than random colours or sounds in your consciousness. 

[aurum]

@Ampresus

Yup all thoughts are conditioning. So start consciously choosing the thoughts you want.

[Joseph Maynor]

Why is it that thought either has to have value or no value.  That's the "exclusive or" thing occurring there.  Why can't thought both have value and have no value depending on context?  If I told you I would give you a million dollars if you correctly give me the answer to 2+2, are you really gonna see the concept 4 in that context as valueless?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_or

Edited December 27, 2018 by Joseph Maynor

[Leo Gura]

Rather, value is a thought!

You can use the mind to assign value to whatever, depending on your survival needs. All value is relative.

[Nahm]

@Ampresus nice!

[Ampresus]

15 hours ago, lmfao said:

yeah I've had a similar insight. The thoughts in your head have no more truth value than random colours or sounds in your consciousness. 

@lmfao Dude exactly!

[Ampresus]

14 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Why can't thought both have value and have no value depending on context?  If I told you I would give you a million dollars if you correctly give me the answer to 2+2, are you really gonna see the concept 4 in that context as valueless?  

@Joseph Maynor Yes I am. The concept ''4'' is no more then a simple thought. The fact that that exact concept makes me answer ''4'' to your question is what makes it look like it has value. While in reality, it is no more then a simple thought. I could say ''blue'' as an answer and the value wouldn't be different. Of course, the answer would be wrong, but both ''4'' and ''blue'' are simple thoughts with no value.

[Ampresus]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Rather, value is a thought!

You can use the mind to assign value to whatever, depending on your survival needs. All value is relative.

@Leo Gura This is also very true ahahahaha

[ground]

23 hours ago, Ampresus said:

What I mean is that thoughts themselves don't seem to have any value. ...

Why do you think those thoughts about thoughts then?

 

Obviously what you discovered has no value. Why? Because it is just a thought.

Edited December 28, 2018 by ground

[Ampresus]

@ground Yes I came to that conclusion too, but I thought that it was cool for other people to know as well.