Spirituality is just a thing to fall back on

[clouffy]

this is not to downgrade enlightenment, but i feel like spirituality is just a thing to fall back on when I'm sad and depressed.

When i'm feeling better, i start to abondon  this whole ritual and ego  backlash brings me back to despair and i return to spending a lot of time on spirtuality/ watching personal development videos all over again. I hope this is still fine, I hope this is still progress made. Thoughts?

[Anton Rogachevski]

@clouffy Very good. Anything that brings you to this works. Suffering is the light under the pot of stew that is this work. Without it you wouldn't even find this forum. It's really a sign of awakening. 

[Hellspeed]

11 minutes ago, clouffy said:

this is not to downgrade enlightenment, but i feel like spirituality is just a thing to fall back on when I'm sad and depressed.

When i'm feeling better, i start to abondon  this whole ritual and ego  backlash brings me back to despair and i return to spending a lot of time on spirtuality/ watching personal development videos all over again. I hope this is still fine, I hope this is still progress made. Thoughts?

Is like that until you genuinely awaken. 

[clouffy]

@Anton Rogachevski great! thank you 

so suffering is a pointer to enlightenment@Hellspeed can you elaborate more on that? would like to hear that

@Hellspeed

[Pilgrim]

I think spirituality can easily be misused in order to escape from the current pain and reality. People might talk and dress very spiritual then and have all kinds of wise vocabulary, but they do not really feel at peace with themselves. I guess that's spiritual ego. That's probably why spirituality has a rather bad reputation, because it's often used as escapism. 

But there is also a very pure form of spirituality. Humbleness is the greatest indicator here. I really do believe that there is nothing more important in life than to be and love who you are. And spirituality can help you discover the most authentic version of yourself. Aligning your life with your truest motives; I cannot see how this could ever be escapism and not lead to a form of peace? The question is just: how do you know your motives really are authentic and not ego-motivated? And I guess that's something we are learning by experience. 

[clouffy]

@Pilgrim i sometimes see it as a mix of both. without the escapism of spirituality (or at least a very lay perspective of the benefits of spirituality), we won't resort to spirituality. and it is because of this egotistical intentions we came here to discover a pure-r form of what could be, the essence of being. pardon me if my thoughts aren't coming out coherently.

[Hellspeed]

33 minutes ago, clouffy said:

 

so suffering is a pointer to enlightenment@Hellspeed can you elaborate more on that? would like to hear that

@Hellspeed

Suffering as a start, is just an atrophied body, fixed by a certain personallity that one clings too, decades upon decades. 

When the personallity dissolves, the ego, the mind, to discover the truth, the whole, not only a few patterns in the body/mind, not only a certain sequence of muscle straining in a certain way or a limited or fixed way of being and interact. 

When the process of awakening and the release of energy goes to a natural state, to a natural pathway, to a natural being. Then apparent pain, depression, suffering arises more and more. Even if one is building a personallity and has no clue about spirituallity, encounters pain and suffering because he/she is building something antinatural. So it goes both ways, going antinatural is suffering, rewinding the antinatural into natural also causes suffering, but this suffering has an end, the antinatural building of the self has no end in terms of suffering. 

[ivankiss]

Spirituality is a coping mechanism. 

Meant to guide you into surrendering to what is. 

It is conceptual, in a way.

True awakening is a far more simple, effortless and  autenthic. There is no need; only isness.

There is unity. Not conceptual. Actual.

One can be spiritual and avoid all concepts here and now only.

[clouffy]

@Hellspeed so it seems like 'depression' itself is not a bad state, afterall. it's more like a state of rest that the body (and the being/ soul/ heart) demands.

one thing especially for me is, once i 'feel' what it is like to have mental clarity, the resistance against mental fog become all the more worse. the more enlightened you become/ the higher you are up the spiral stages, it seems, there seems to be increased resistance towards lower stages. the more you progress, the more intolerant you become of non-progression. it's such a paradox.

[Hellspeed]

9 minutes ago, clouffy said:

@Hellspeed so it seems like 'depression' itself is not a bad state, afterall. it's more like a state of rest that the body (and the being/ soul/ heart) demands.

one thing especially for me is, once i 'feel' what it is like to have mental clarity, the resistance against mental fog become all the more worse. the more enlightened you become/ the higher you are up the spiral stages, it seems, there seems to be increased resistance towards lower stages. the more you progress, the more intolerant you become of non-progression. it's such a paradox.

Depression is simply an antinatural flow of vital energy in the system. 

Those tough individuals who are constantly looking for aproval or to make a point, are just stressed individuals who managed to float on a certain personallity, we call them beta  

Those who got crushed by their own energy, we call them mentally ill or in depression.

 

So awakening to the natural growth state will resolve any issue, from any ilness. This is done only by genuine awakening, not just mere realization of tripping thoughts, because anyone can take a hit of a drug and realize infinity, and that is not awakening.