Letting go of control VS Personal responsibility

[Elia Gottardi]

Recently I'm trying to apply the saying "there is no self inside of you" as literally as I can.

This dovetails nicely with saying that "you're not in control".

So, basically it seems that it is possible for my body/mind to go around, think and do things without "me" being there monitoring or even "do" it.

I noticed that, when I'm driving my car, I can "go away a little" and see that my hands are turning the wheel on their own when necessary and my eyes are checking the rear mirrors, as they always do, even if I'm not "there". (I have to say that I don't have the balls to completely let go of control while I'm driving, but this can be applied to less dangerous life circumstances as well, and I notice the same: life seems to be able to happen in "autopilot")

So my question is:

Am I responsible for my actions? Who's responsible? Will I do bad things if I go away completely? Will I make people upset? Will I cause damage? How can I check what I do when I'm gone? It's confusing and a bit scary.

What do you guys think about this?

Or am I on a dead end and just masturbating and bullshitting myself?

[Nahm]

@Elia Gottardi

What does “responsible” mean to you? 

Why is any of that scary to you? 

What meaning has any thing? 

Where does meaning transpire?

[DrewNows]

42 minutes ago, Elia Gottardi said:

Am I responsible for my actions? Who's responsible? Will I do bad things if I go away completely? Will I make people upset? Will I cause damage? How can I check what I do when I'm gone? It's confusing and a bit scary.

What do you guys think about this?

Or am I on a dead end and just masturbating and bullshitting myself?

Who’s asking these questions? Is this fear? To see fear is control is thought is desire is confusion 

There can be no control of these mechanics however  when it is seen as a fact perhaps there may be freedom to break free of the limitations 

 

 

[Jack River]

Maybe the past is responsible for this “I”...If so, are you responsible for your actions?, or are these past actions responsible for the you?

if so, are actions taken from moment to moment actions that are influenced by that movement of the you? 

What would be the implications of this movement/actions? 

Would they point to what is meant by responsibility, or irresponsibility? 

 

Edited December 24, 2018 by Jack River

[Elia Gottardi]

Though questions, thank you.

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

What does “responsible” mean to you? 

I'd say: being responsible = checking if actions are congruent with values. But what are values? In this context, I think I mean: values = identity. But identity = concept.

So, damn...

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

Why is any of that scary to you? 

Because when I follow this rabbit hole too deep, it feels like the end of life and it burns so much that i retract automatically, to maintain my sense of self, I guess.

Maybe, deep down, I want this enlightenment thing because of the rewards it entails for me. But the end of me is the definition of this enlightenment thing, so there cannot be any reward, at least not for me.
I still cannot swallow this, I guess.

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

What meaning has any thing? 

Where does meaning transpire?

 

[Privet]

14 hours ago, Elia Gottardi said:

Am I responsible for my actions? Who's responsible? Will I do bad things if I go away completely? Will I make people upset? Will I cause damage? How can I check what I do when I'm gone?

I had glimpses of being "lived" but I'm not there permanently yet and I can only guess, but I think that the answer to that is that you won't go away for good, you'll be able to turn off and "be lived" and turn on and get back online when needed.