NEW JRE podcast on Consciousness

[Akuma]

I've just watched the JRE podcast with Sir Roger Penrose. 

The podcast is all about consciousness. But I still cannot fathom how are they missing this important distinction between thoughts, concepts, ideologies, prejudices, etc. and pure consciousness.

Even Joe talks about how he is sceptical of the woo-woo consciousness talk. He is correct he should be sceptical of other ideologies but can't anyone show him he needs to at least make the difference between thoughts and the space between thoughts. 

Sir Roger Penrose is 87 years old and a very smart, sharp cat. How wasn't he able to at least grasp some minor truth regarding consciousness for all those 87 years of life experience, studying and research? Perplexes me.

Just wanted to share it with the forum.

Here is the link:

 

[Sahil Pandit]

@Akuma Can't wait to dive into this!

Yeah, I really wish Joe would discover NonDuality already 

[Leo Gura]

Don't expect such people to grasp what consciousness is. I spoil you guys with too much advanced wisdom

Do not expect unenlightened folk to understand what consciousness is. It is basically impossible.

[lmfao]

@Akuma I know its bad but ive started to struggle bothering listening to materialists talk about anything the same way I struggle bothering listening to religious people talk about anything. That said though, this particular talk seems interesting.  He seems intelligent for an 87 year old lmao. 

Edited December 19, 2018 by lmfao

[Tony 845]

@Leo Gura id love to see you & joe shoot the shit for a few hours, you'd blow his mind! 

[Leo Gura]

Penrose is great stage Yellowish scientist. But he lacks direct nondual experience. He's about where Albert Einstein and the fathers of quantum mechanics were. But that's still not high enough to really understand what consciousness is. So close yet so far.

[Akuma]

@Leo Gura Yes, Penrose does seem to emit a lot of stage yellowish vibes. And thanks to watching your eloquent videos on Spiral Dynamics (each episode multiple times), I have some understanding of what you mean.

You do spoil us with staggering amounts of wisdom. There were countless times where I have cried like a baby after watching a video of yours (Absolute Infinity episodes come into mind right now).

It almost feels like we don't deserve you, Leo. I know it sounds absolutely cliched and very airy-fairy, but you've literally saved my life. Love you, Thank you ? ❤. I hope to meet you someday ?

Edited December 19, 2018 by Akuma

[Akuma]

@Sahil Pandit Yes, my friend. Can't wait to hear your input after you watch the podcast ?

[Sahil Pandit]

@Akuma Almost done with the Podcast. He's beyond intelligent! I wonder how much he embodies his work, however  

[Inliytened1]

He's right at the brink - he just needs a non-dual experience...like Leo said he is right where Einstein was...sadly it is said that none of the founding fathers of Quantum Mechanics were enlightened.

The problem is these guys have been scientists there entire life, so to become 100% open minded to spirituality is nearly impossible for them.

The only way you can discover the truth for yourself is if you are completely unbiased to ANYTHING.   

That you don't have any paradigms of your own or at least are open to others.

I don't know much about Joe other than remembering seeing him host MMA fights - but he seems open minded and may just need to stumble on Actualized.org and actually mediate and maybe take some DMT LOL.  I think he would be dumbfounded.

Long term scientists might be a different story.

 

[PsiloPutty]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

and maybe take some DMT

Joe has done DMT many times. Huge psychedelic advocate.

[Enlightenment]

2 hours ago, PsiloPutty said:

Joe has done DMT many times.

as well as 5-MeO

[ZZZZ]

Yeah, I remember watching this and being underwhelmed. I actually havent finished it yet.

You can tell this guy is truly a math/physics genius, but his explanation behind the biological component that cannot be explained by the theorem he mentioned (microtubules?) is either grossly oversimplified for explanation's sake, or simply just hand-wavy. I think it might be a little of both, otherwise I'm curious to know the details. I know more about biology than the average person too though, so I'm not sure.

 

There was nothing deep about this talk on the level of consciousness as we know it...unfortunately. Except maybe that it can't be explained by an algorithm.