trap I deeply noticed with self-inquiry - how to break this trap?

[SoonHei]

when asking the question who am I? or who ultimately is hearing these thoughts or sounds?

the answer to these is also heard/seen

and then a question about those answers is heard/seen

and the answer to these questions is heard/seen

and so on...

no fruit in this process

rather stop and drop all questions/answers and just BE

but that "ok, now i will just sit still and just BE" is also heard/seen

 

how do i end this trap? or just BE and not be "doing it" and just aware of it from the place where all is heard/seen

maybe asking the "how to" on this is not a good idea because by asking how, i am expecting an answer which will itself be seen/heard

 

is it fair to say that just to sit still with this understanding until it finally just CLICKS on it's own? 

 

[winterknight]

13 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

when asking the question who am I? or who ultimately is hearing these thoughts or sounds?

the answer to these is also heard/seen

No, it isn't. If the "answer" is heard/seen, it obviously isn't the answer -- It's just a thought.

The one who "ultimately" hears is not "an answer" which itself is heard/seen -- you already know this.

So why are you telling yourself that the thoughts that are coming into your mind when you inquire are "answers"? They are not. They are just thoughts. So keep your focus on the "I" feeling which notices these thoughts... and whatever thoughts which are "heard/seen" come up, notice that the "I" notices them... and again focus on that "I" feeling...

[Rilles]

You are that which is not... Neti Neti

 

1. "Who Am I?

 

I am not; the five cognitive sense organs, i.e., the senses of hearing,

touch, sight, taste, and smell, which apprehend their respective

objects, i.e., sound, touch, color, taste, and odor, 

 

I am not; the five

conative sense organs, i.e., the organs of speech, locomotion,

grasping, excretion, and procreation, which have as their respective

functions speaking, moving, grasping, excreting, and enjoying, 

 

I am

not; the five vital airs, prāṇa, etc., which perform respectively the

five functions of in-breathing, etc., I am not; even the mind which

thinks, 

 

I am not; the nescience too, which is endowed only with the

residual impressions of objects, and in which there are no objects

and no functions, 

 

I am not.

 

2. If I am none of these, then who am I?

After negating all of the above-mentioned as “not this, not this,”

that Awareness which alone remains—that I am."

Edited December 13, 2018 by Rilles

[SoonHei]

@winterknight yes, i also meant that same... just maybe wasn't clear...

i meant the "answer" which is a thought based answer (not the true answer - which would be the realization itself, without content)

who am i ( is a thought thought)      - IS SEEN/HEARD

whatever "answer" (conceptual - ergo not the TRUTH) in the mind (also thought) - IS SEEN/HEARD

 

so focusing on the " I " which notices these thoughts... hmmm. thank you sir.

 

@Rilles beautiful as always, thank you  

[winterknight]

46 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

@winterknight

so focusing on the " I " which notices these thoughts... hmmm. thank you sir.

yup! 

[non_nothing]

who am i? = heard/seen

who aam i? = heard/seen

who am i = 100 / 7

who am i = (49+1 + 49+1) / 7

who am i = 49/7 + 49/7 + 1/7 + 1/7

no im not 49/7=7 thats simple... throw that away

who am i = 1/7

who am i = 100/700

who am i = 100/7 * 1/100

no i am not 1/100 either thats 0.01 is known...

who am i = 100/7

oh shit boi we're going in circles

who am i = the fuck

[Rilles]

11 minutes ago, non_nothing said:

who am i? = heard/seen

who aam i? = heard/seen

who am i = 100 / 7

who am i = (49+1 + 49+1) / 7

who am i = 49/7 + 49/7 + 1/7 + 1/7

no im not 49/7=7 thats simple... throw that away

who am i = 1/7

who am i = 100/700

who am i = 100/7 * 1/100

no i am not 1/100 either thats 0.01 is known...

who am i = 100/7

oh shit boi we're going in circles

who am i = the fuck

?tf?

[Hellspeed]

Stop inquiring, will lead to mind fuck. Go breath. 

[Tony 845]

@Hellspeed so what you are saying is mantra mediation will lead you to enlightenment faster then self inquiry? If that's the case wouldn't there be more enlightened people sir? Millions of people mediate??‍♂️ Not sure how many people sled inquire but I'm sure it's not millions..or what specific kind of breathing/mediating are we talking? Also can you  write a deep post on yourself so we can see how you became liberated sir. Maybe you can help one of us with you're past.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Tony 845

[Rilles]

5 hours ago, Hellspeed said:

Stop inquiring, will lead to mind fuck. Go breath. 

So I will ignore the advice of pretty much every sage to listen some random dude on a forum? No thanks

[Hellspeed]

8 hours ago, Rilles said:

So I will ignore the advice of pretty much every sage to listen some random dude on a forum? No thanks

No. Listen to your Breath, not me. Breath is the highest form of meditation, is MEDITATION in itself. What you talking about? 

[Rilles]

15 minutes ago, Hellspeed said:

No. Listen to your Breath, not me. Breath is the highest form of meditation, is MEDITATION in itself. What you talking about? 

Who decides whats the highest form of meditation?

[ground]

23 hours ago, Rilles said:

...

After negating all of the above-mentioned as “not this, not this,”

that Awareness which alone remains—that I am."

But you can say this only when affirming what has been negated before.

[SoonHei]

WHAT I AM IS ALWAYS HERE AND NOW

IS ALWAYS WATCHING

WOAH THIS WAS A NICE ONE TO FINALLY GRASP DEEPLY

I FIND THAT AFTER HAVING THESE INSIGHTS MYSELF AND FINALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS BEING SAID I AM ABLE TO ARTICULATE IT BETTER FOR MYSELF CONCEPTUALLY TO UNDERSTAND IT

when it is said truth / happiness will be found NOW... not at a later time in the "future" (because the "future" occurs in the NOW also)

now that can be equated to watching the TV and then saying I will realize in the future or after a couple of hours that the TV screen is on... 

THE TV SCREEN IS/WAS ALWAYS ON! 

It's not like that it wasn't ON when the movie/show you are watching began and then out of no-where in the middle or end of the movie the TV SCREEN turns on. THE TV SCREEN JUST ALWAYS IS - ETERNALLY!

Edited December 14, 2018 by SoonHei

[Inliytened1]

NO - you are ABSOLUTELY right....skip all the mumbojumbo BS and know this:

Pure being - becoming being itself, cannot be put into words, so you are right - it just HAPPENS. (your point to clicks on it's own)

All the other stuff helps get your mind quiet enough and open enough to where it can just happen.

And when it happens, words cant fucking describe it..

 

You will just drop to your knees and say "Oh my fucking god" "oh my fucking god" over and over and over.

 

[SoonHei]

20 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You will just drop to your knees and say "Oh my fucking god" "oh my fucking god" over and over and over.

@Inliytened1 epic

also. i am noticing how the ego feels that it will have this great moment of realization and all

and in this expectation in the future - it asks more questions like i am about to do here

 

but the dropping on the knees to say OMFG OMFG... that is the ENTIRE REALITY/CONSIOUNESS Expressing the realization thru the body/mind in that moment - correct?

[Inliytened1]

exactly -- you seem to have a good grasp of it and an open mind so i think it will happen to you if you continue down the path.