Zigzag Idiot and the ladder of Objective Reason

[Zigzag Idiot]

@modmyth Didn't mean to be implying that you are/were neurotic just now. I was referring to myself.

Im suddenly unable to articulate myself this evening.

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

 

English is not Ocke's native language and this is a horrible interview. But Ocke understands Gurdjieff better than anyone, IME.

says Conscience is the intelligence of the Universe,,,,,, 

http://www.higherbeingbodies.com/

Ocke: One of the aims of our Work is to bring us in contact with Conscience, which is in our subconsciousness. Conscience is the inner memory for those actions necessary to bring any given situation back in tune with Unity. Although this definition of Conscience is correct, it stays incomplete, because Conscience cannot be reasoned but must come into Being.   

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2019 by Zigzag Idiot

[Zigzag Idiot]

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King of Hearts (Intellectual part of Emotional Center) is not the same as the Queen of Diamonds (Emotional Part of Intellectual Center). Nor is the Jack of Diamonds (Moving part of Intellectual center) the same as the King of Spades (Intellectual Part of Moving Center). In this deck, the Queen of Hearts (Emotional Part of Emotional Center), the King of Diamonds (Intellectual Part of Intellectual Center) and the Jack of Spades (Moving Part of Moving Center) represent pure emotion, pure thought, and pure movement.

When people go to their "third center," the one that is not part of their Centering or trap, they usually go there very appropriately. That is because they only go there for a specific reason: to become balanced. The Higher Centers and the Instinctive Center also have parts, but the distinctions are minor and not necessary for a basic discussion of Centering.

In Higher Intellectual center, people get the greater concept of why they are here, what life is about, and why it is going a certain way. In the positive pole of the Higher Intellectual there is sense of what is really so, truth that is profoundly, exactly right, not in just a specific circumstance, but so large that it could be applied to a wide variety of things. Seeing how life fits together comes from the Higher Intellectual Center. Conscience—living in the truth and knowing what is deception and what is not—is seated in the Higher Intellectual Center. Contentment or an intellectual sense of fulfillment, i.e. "all's right with the world," also comes from the Higher Intellectual Center. Philosophy, informational channeling, and true self‑knowledge are higher-intellectual experiences. The negative pole of the higher intellectual is telepathy or a partial sense of the truth. Mind‑reading is an example. It is knowing the truth but just on this particular level of having the same thought at the same time. This is, needless to say, trivial in comparison to the whole.

from: https://www.michaeleducationalfoundation.com/the-seven-centers

 

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[Zigzag Idiot]

The term "sonship" really freaked me out at first when I ran across it in ACIM.

It's been on my mind lately.

https://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/?s=Sonship

...I said it is possible even in this world to listen to one Voice. 13 If you are part of God and the Sonship is One, you cannot be limited to the self the ego sees. T-5.IV.3. Every loving thought held in any part of the Sonship belongs to every...

[Zigzag Idiot]

UNCLEAN’ STATES

“The Work is a very strong, clean thing, and so demands a great deal of inner cleanness and strength and sincerity with oneself. Who are the unclean in the Gospels? Every form of hypocrisy and pretense, every form of looking down one’s nose, every form of sighing slightly, every form of pseudo patience—yes, all this is uncleanness and we come to know it. It is a very good stage to reach, when one knows it.” V. 2, p. 551 

YOU HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE NEGATIVE’

“Now the Work says you have a right not to be negative...To be able to feel this draws down force to help you. You stand upright, as it were, in yourself, among all the mess of your negativeness, and you feel and know that it is not necessary to lie down in that mess. To say this phrase in the right way to yourself, to feel the meaning of the words: ‘I have a right not to be negative,’ is actually a form of self- remembering, of feeling a trace of real ‘I,’ that lifts you up above the level of your negative ‘I’s which are all the time telling you without a pause that you have every right to be negative.” V. 1, p. 161

GIVING UP SUFFERING

“A man, a woman, cannot awaken if they retain this dreadful weight, their mechanical suffering, and nourish it, by a continual process of justifying it.” V. 4, p. 1240

GIVING UP SUFFERING II

“A man, a woman, must give up their suffering and sacrifice that
first of all, because this can lead to a change of Being. For this to happen one must be able to see through self-observation what one suffers from...There is the suffering of man towards woman, of woman towards man...Then take all the mechanical forms of suffer- ing that arise from feeling that you have never been understood by your parents, your husband, your wife, or your children...It is exactly this suffering derived from life and all its awkwardness that has to be sacrificed.” V. 3, pp. 850, 852 

From : Gems of Wisdom

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

"Knowledge attained when the mind is in the heart." @8:30

Cynthia Bourgeault, Episcopal Priest and Phd, is also a longtime student of the Gurdjieff Work.

 

 

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

 

This is Mr Hollywood before life kicked the shit out if him.

 

 

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

Man is legion. In metaphorically alluding to Gurdjieffs' and others view that we are a multiplicity, I've often referred to myself as a ship of fools who sometimes fight among themselves over control of the helm.

 

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

I shouldn't be communicating for a while this evening.

Experimenting with a higher intake of Lsd leaves me as messed up as a soup sandwich.

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[Zigzag Idiot]

I'm checking out for a while.this mornin /evening what ever it is  

I the meantime,,, thank you all of you placeholders,,,,,

[Zigzag Idiot]

26 minutes ago, modmyth said:

@Zigzag Idiot Zigzag is hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh (I want to see how you're gonna remember this later )

Yes!

Im busted! ?✌️

[Zigzag Idiot]

 

Thank god it's  perservred.

[Zigzag Idiot]

I'm somewhat indebted to other beings such as my brother/godfather, William, an iconoclastic heretic in his own right who happens to possess heart.

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

I only thought I had been taking fairly pure lsd. Whew,,,

This stuff was really something. 

@Bill W I hid a couple of nonsense posts that I made in your Journal.

I appreciate your patience.

Still trying to get my head screwed on,,,,,,

 

[Bill W]

Haha. All good my friend. You can do no wrong in my eyes 

[Preety_India]

@Zigzag Idiot you do hide a lot. I noticed that. 

 

 

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

 

12 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Zigzag Idiot you do hide a lot. I noticed that. 

 

 

 

@Preety_India  ? You're right on that.

Although I'm very adrenal (Mars) Essence (body) and in outer personality. 

Inwardly I'm influenced heavily by swift, secretive, Mercury. 

[Zigzag Idiot]

My Father, the paradoxical Saint.

That's the title of a book I should write. He passed away in 2006.

 

I turned over 2 herds of Cattle and responsibility over the family ranch to a partnership formed by my niece and two nephews. My mother is in control of the land through a Trust. I just walked away from everything within the last year.

No I'm not wealthy but at least I'm now free to do whatever I want. I have no debt. I got sick of working my ass off just to pay more taxes. Besides all the violence that's an unavoidable necessity with ranching and it being an endless money pit. I'm glad to be free of it.

 

Now what?

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Zigzag Idiot said:

 

@Preety_India  ? You're right on that.

Although I'm very adrenal (Mars) Essence (body) and in outer personality. 

Inwardly I'm influenced heavily by swift, secretive, Mercury. 

Your screen name should have been Galaxy idiot. jokin

 

 

 

[Zigzag Idiot]

Up keep of the ranch was the bottomless money pit.

The lifestyle turned me insane but then I'm sure I would have gone insane anyhow.