Truth For Truth's Sake Is A Load Of BS

[stevegan928]

[Leo Gura]

I wish to be a closedminded douche. Change my mind.

[Aimblack]

I'm literally crying right now the irony of that sentence overlaid above a steven crowder "change my mind" sign is just perfect.

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura

I agree with @stevegan928 . If I ask you why you want the truth, surely it will come down to wanting fulfilment of that desire. Which is basically happiness.

Truth for truth’s sake doesn’t make much sense to me.

[ground]

4 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Truth for truth’s sake doesn’t make much sense to me.

you are right, it is nonsense

 

Having said that I do not assert truth as I do not assert happiness.

Edited December 11, 2018 by ground

[Jack River]

A self will seek according to the image it has invented for itself and what set of images satisfies/validates its self imposed image. 

The self plays within the field of conditions. Psychological evolution of the me that strives to find answers that will bring about contentment/satisfaction/gradification. When limited to this falsity of psychological evolution the self fixes truth in time, and truth can never be fixed. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by Jack River

[winterknight]

@stevegan928 Actually top motivational psychologists have examined the issue and concluded that there is in fact strong evidence for a truth drive distinct from drives for power and pleasure.

[LastThursday]

@stevegan928 no no no. Most humans care about not being unhappy - there's a difference - humans are innately happy, that is the natural state. That's the motivation for self development: to uncover all the bullshit in our lives and to recover our natural state. Ultimately that natural state is itself: Truth. In other words, to stop all suffering we need to recover our real selves. But most people don't even realise they need to do this and they go around like headless chickens all their lives and live with constant suffering.

[daniel695]

1 hour ago, winterknight said:

Actually top motivational psychologists have examined the issue and concluded that there is in fact strong evidence for a truth drive distinct from drives for power and pleasure.

can you elaborate on that?

[winterknight]

28 minutes ago, daniel695 said:

can you elaborate on that?

Well, they've examined the evidence of decades of behavioral experiments and there are many things that people do that don't give them pleasure, and can only be explained if there are other motivations at work -- motivations for power or for truth, for example, completely independent of whether obtaining those things gives pleasure.

[Jack River]

A self that seeks pleasure, (gratification in relation to its own self imposed image that it has sustained through memory) may ultimately find that the pursuit of pleasure is to deny joy(what is/truth) itself. 

There are many different ways a self gets caught in this pleasure game. The self in its structure is actually no different from the movement of desire pursuing pleasure. One unit in movement of the past/modified present/projected future(time-thought). 

A self may see the necessity/significance of freedom/liberation/truth, yet every step that self takes pushes WHAT IS farther away in time. That is the nature and function of thought. Motivation and action as a self seems to be limited to the field of time, which has its root in this reward and punishment image polarity. Divided action of psychological evolution. 

Edited December 12, 2018 by Jack River

[Mafortu]

Morpheus, we gonna need more blue pills in here!

[Nexeternity]

The thing is... if you go for the Truth for happiness... you are actually going for happiness, trying to barter with life, to make a trade, to make effort in order to get paid, not really to find the One, the Truth.

But ironically... going for Truth for Truths sake does give you the deepest joy.

So its a mind twister. 

[Key Elements]

You know what, this is an interesting topic. But then, anything awesome you do in life will not be reached without going through a process. It could mean interconnected processes. Usually, when a person goes through the process, it will raise eyebrows. Most can't relate cause they've never done it. Most ppl just seek happiness for comfort and short term. Anything long lasting and fulfilling will not be comfortable at all.

[universe]

Counter argument: If all humans care about is being happy, why arent they?

[Joyboy]

It's counter-intuitive, Truth for Truth's sake will give you the greatest Joy while Truth for Happiness's sake gonna give you the greatest suffering

[alankrillin]

I love truth.

In truth "I" ceases to exist.

To label it, as anything, even "happiness" would break the truth.

 

Edited December 12, 2018 by alankrillin

[stevegan928]

@Joyboy @Nexeternity @Jack River @Leo Gura

From what I gathered the spiritual seeker wants Truth for happiness. Someone who is enlightened understands Truth cannot have a reason, cannot be found in time , cannot be found in space, and cannot be explained. But my point was that from a seeker's perspective I think It's dishonest to say you seek Truth for Truth's sake. 

[Jack River]

36 minutes ago, stevegan928 said:

@Joyboy @Nexeternity @Jack River @Leo Gura

From what I gathered the spiritual seeker wants Truth for happiness. Someone who is enlightened understands Truth cannot have a reason, cannot be found in time , cannot be found in space, and cannot be explained. But my point was that from a seeker's perspective I think It's dishonest to say you seek Truth for Truth's sake. 

I feel ya dude. 

Freedom without the limitations by time is the beginning of any honest/uncorrupted/sound exploration/investigation/inquiry. 

There is the ‘conditioned seeker’ limited my time(corruption of it’s self sustaining mechanical continuity) 

And there is the ‘unconditioned seeker’ that can explore without the mechanism of thought/time(bias-prejudice) (attachment/resistance/identification) preventing a coherence in the exploration. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Jack River

[Jack River]

To come to the whole means all fragmented movement(time) doesn’t fix its own implicit limit and projected end. 

When burdened by time thought will inherently fix the end/goal in accordance to the means/motive/path thought acted upon to attain/achieve its goal/end. 

Loop of time dude. 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Jack River