How can religion lead to God realisation?

[Anirban657]

How can religion lead to God realisation? 

Please comment and thank you! 

[Preetom]

1 minute ago, Anirban657 said:

How can religion lead to God realisation? 

Please comment and thank you! 

Religions are good for building morality, discipline, selflessness and other divine human virtues.

They can be a great method for preparing the ground. But one must not fall into the trap of dogma and ideologies and be open to leave the 'religion' in it's traditional sense when it's utility is exhausted.

From that prepared ground, independent open-minded inquiry can lead to Truth/God realization very quickly

(example: Papaji. He was a serious devotee of lord Krishna. He would chant the lord's divine name from 2:30 am to 9:30 am everyday before going to work for decades. He eventually grew out of it, went to Ramana Maharshi, followed the direct path of inquiry and got Enlightened very soon as he had a prepared, pure, sattvic body-mind)

[Hellspeed]

Breath. There is no other way, trust me. 

[Anirban657]

46 minutes ago, Preetom said:

Religions are good for building morality, discipline, selflessness and other divine human virtues.

They can be a great method for preparing the ground. But one must not fall into the trap of dogma and ideologies and be open to leave the 'religion' in it's traditional sense when it's utility is exhausted.

From that prepared ground, independent open-minded inquiry can lead to Truth/God realization very quickly

(example: Papaji. He was a serious devotee of lord Krishna. He would chant the lord's divine name from 2:30 am to 9:30 am everyday before going to work for decades. He eventually grew out of it, went to Ramana Maharshi, followed the direct path of inquiry and got Enlightened very soon as he had a prepared, pure, sattvic body-mind)

@Preetom What about Bhakti? If one does religion under guidance with Bhakti, one may become enlightened.

I think that Ramana Maharishi's techniques will be in vain if one does not have Bhakti in himself. 

[Anirban657]

@Hellspeed Are you enlightened?

[Hellspeed]

1 minute ago, Anirban657 said:

@Hellspeed Are you enlightened?

?

[Aimblack]

most religions have a contemplative/mystic branch people who are ready to transcend religion will naturally seek out those branches. For christians that would be the christian mystics like meister eckhardt or saint theresa of avila. For muslims that would be the sufi like rumi.

[Anirban657]

9 hours ago, Preetom said:

Religions are good for building morality, discipline, selflessness and other divine human virtues.

They can be a great method for preparing the ground. But one must not fall into the trap of dogma and ideologies and be open to leave the 'religion' in it's traditional sense when it's utility is exhausted.

From that prepared ground, independent open-minded inquiry can lead to Truth/God realization very quickly

(example: Papaji. He was a serious devotee of lord Krishna. He would chant the lord's divine name from 2:30 am to 9:30 am everyday before going to work for decades. He eventually grew out of it, went to Ramana Maharshi, followed the direct path of inquiry and got Enlightened very soon as he had a prepared, pure, sattvic body-mind)

@Preetom Papaji was successful. He chanted Krishna's name and Krishna helped him through Ramana Maharishi. At last when he became enlightened he met Krishna.

[Preetom]

33 minutes ago, Anirban657 said:

@Preetom Papaji was successful. He chanted Krishna's name and Krishna helped him through Ramana Maharishi. At last when he became enlightened he met Krishna.

However you wanna interpret it, is up to you.

But Papaji himself taught advaita vedanta, the direct path of jnana yoga for self-realization. A number of his students are now recognized spiritual teachers themselves in the west (mooji, gangaji etc)

Edited December 11, 2018 by Preetom

[Matt8800]

1 hour ago, Anirban657 said:

@Preetom Papaji was successful. He chanted Krishna's name and Krishna helped him through Ramana Maharishi. At last when he became enlightened he met Krishna.

@Anirban657 I was just listing to Papaji's autobiographer talk about this yesterday. Actually, Papaji said he wasted all that time chanting krishna when he should have looked for the true self within.

[Matt8800]

10 hours ago, Anirban657 said:

How can religion lead to God realisation? 

Please comment and thank you! 

@Anirban657I disagree with many of the people on this site that seem to have the idea that all religions are "good". Usually, that idea comes from people that have been mostly non-religious their whole life and dont know first hand what indoctrination is and what the consequences are.

They cherry-pick words in the respective "holy" books and interpret the way they want to try to show some truth when nobody actually in the religion would see it that way. This delusion is fueled by the mistaken good intention of being inclusive and tolerant. 

Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, etc, etc are all brainwashing and delusion. Stating that religion has some truth is like saying a schizophrenic that thinks hes an alien with super powers has truth because he knows what day of the week it is.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Matt8800

[Preetom]

9 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

@Anirban657 I was just listing to Papaji's autobiographer talk about this yesterday. Actually, Papaji said he wasted all that time chanting krishna when he should have looked for the true self within.

oh boy...that sure was one rude awakening huh.. 

[Preetom]

9 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

I disagree with many of the people on this site that seem to have the idea that all religions are "good". Usually, that idea comes from people that have been mostly non-religious their whole life and dont know first hand what indoctrination is and what the consequences are.

They cherry-pick words in the respective "holy" books and interpret the way they want to try to show some truth when nobody actually in the religion would see it that way. This delusion is fueled by the mistaken good intention of be inclusive and tolerant. 

Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, etc, etc are all brainwashing and delusion. Stating that religion has some truth is like saying a schizophrenic that thinks hes an alien with super powers has truth because he knows what day of the week it is.

you actually give some very good points. 

I've yet to see an open-minded person who got heavily indoctrinated into religion. These people either stay in their religions all their lives blindly, or they rebel and become close-minded materialist atheists (or some combo of both)

And most of the so called 'holy' books were written a lot later after the original prophets by clergies(who were also politicians and king's men) in order to establish their political propaganda. Those 'holy' books were developed as the means to control the masses.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Preetom

[Anirban657]

13 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

@Anirban657 I was just listing to Papaji's autobiographer talk about this yesterday. Actually, Papaji said he wasted all that time chanting krishna when he should have looked for the true self within.

@Matt8800 yes he was wasting time by just chanting mechanically. You gotta work hard and read a lot of books, spend time with pure devotees,do sadhana and lots more. 

Who says Krishna is outside? True self=Krishna

 

 

[Anirban657]

9 minutes ago, Preetom said:

oh boy...that sure was one rude awakening huh.. 

Sir intellectual understanding is not enough

[Anirban657]

6 minutes ago, Preetom said:

I've yet to see an open-minded person who got heavily indoctrinated into religion. 

You just have to look

[Anirban657]

19 minutes ago, Matt8800 said:

@Anirban657I disagree with many of the people on this site that seem to have the idea that all religions are "good". Usually, that idea comes from people that have been mostly non-religious their whole life and dont know first hand what indoctrination is and what the consequences are.

They cherry-pick words in the respective "holy" books and interpret the way they want to try to show some truth when nobody actually in the religion would see it that way. This delusion is fueled by the mistaken good intention of being inclusive and tolerant. 

Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, Scientology, etc, etc are all brainwashing and delusion. Stating that religion has some truth is like saying a schizophrenic that thinks hes an alien with super powers has truth because he knows what day of the week it is.

Read Sri Ramakrishna's autobiography

[Matt8800]

7 minutes ago, Anirban657 said:

Who says Krishna is outside? True self=Krishna

 

 

That is not what Papaji was taught regarding Krishna, which is why he said it was a waste of time chanting to Krishna. 

Im just repeating what Papaji's autobiographer, David Goodman, has said.

Papaji did not think that chanting to Krishna was helpful, which is why he didnt teach it.

[Anirban657]

Indoctrination is not only in religion but everywhere. You are not really open minded unless you are enlightened.

[Matt8800]

1 minute ago, Anirban657 said:

Read Sri Ramakrishna's autobiography

I stand by my statements until someone can explain how practicing Mormonism, Christianity, Islam, etc can lead to realization of the True Self.

I was heavily indoctrinated by Christianity the first half of my life. Ive read the Bible, front to back, at least 7 times. Ive read almost every book by CS Lewis looking for a reason to think that Christianity was a valid belief. Not once, in 20 years, did I ever read about or hear anyone mention anything about the concept of the true self, awareness or non-duality.

How is following a belief system that does not teach the true self, awareness, mindfulness, meditation or non-duality helpful? Can explain how a Mormon's beliefs lead to the true nature of reality and the Self?