Can We Exist Without An Identity

[likhil]

In one of my meditation experiance i felt fearful.

it felt that i am gonna die.i forgot what my name is. i was unable to feel my body. 

IT WAS REALLY FEARFULL.

IT was like lost in a vaccum.

I felt like i will get trapped there forever. there was nothing no time but A LARGE FEAR.

In later experiances  when i try to go back to that state        THIS FEAR STOPS ME + THE VOICE.

the voice be like "ok lets see what happens","i surrender","am i really gonna do that" etc

Edited April 9, 2016 by likhil

[Isle of View]

It's possible, of course, to be in an identity- or ego-less meditative state.

But regarding your experience of fear and the voice, can you tell more about it?

Where does this voice come from? Is this your intention? And your inner-voice?
"ok lets see what happens","i surrender","am i really gonna do that"

~Chris

[likhil]

In my first case I tried to inhibit my voice.

The steps were

1.I was very angry with my god I have which I believed from childhood.So I tried to find what is there I am worshipping.

2. for self enquiry I compared myself with a new born child which we all were.

3.as the one who has not opened his eyes he does not know light.

All the imagination had light so I discarded all visual effect in my mind.

4.also i was talking to myself in Hindi which is feed in mind it's not real it's made up and this is not me.

5 I replaced it with om sound and concentrated on my forehead.

Becoz I need to focus somewhere

Then I was there without any sound or feel of body.

THE MAIN THING IS HOW CAN YOU RELATE YOURSELF WITH THE BODY BACK.

NO SOUND NO NAME NO MEMORY A BLACK HOLE BUT FEAR OF UNKNOWN.

[likhil]

Thank-you Pinocchio I(whosoever) will try

[likhil]

Doesn't it feel bad losing you/identity

[Isle of View]

Good advice above.

@Pinocchio, well said, though I wouldn't place enlightenment there:

33 minutes ago, Pinocchio said:

You are the awareness of it. You are the one who sees the fear. You are the one who sees the identity. And you are the one who sees the identity disappear. Which it does every night when the body sleeps, without any problem.

This place from which everything is seen, is already enlightened.

Enlightenmen is beyond awarness (but I don't want to feed you with my insights).

This realm is very enlightened in its own right.

~Chris

[Isle of View]

Just now, Pinocchio said:

11 minutes ago, Isle of View said:

Enlightenmen is beyond awarness (but I don't want to feed you with my insights).

This realm is very enlightened in its own right.

Just depends on how you want to slice and dice it. Either way it's in the right direction.

Agree!

[likhil]

I am not gonna do it feels i am crazy I even cannot think properly being confused with the bloody I

[Isle of View]

@likhil

Take your time.

Be aware that you're aware while you're there.

You're loosing touch to physical space, time and objects. But you're still there. That's, as @Pinocchio already said, "Is home. Always has been, always will be." 

Enjoy!

 

 

[charlie2dogs]

You existed before you created this identity, the problem now is you only know yourself as the identity and you are feeling insecure and fearful, these feeling you have is a good thing, explore it deeper and deeper until you are seated in the core of your own being, and the fear and insecurity will be gone.

[likhil]

It feels mad. How can you Identify what is you if you are'nt what you are.

You need a greater confidence on something to do that (other than you).

I am feeling mad.

[likhil]

1 hour ago, charlie2dogs said:

You existed before you created this identity, the problem now is you only know yourself as the identity and you are feeling insecure and fearful, these feeling you have is a good thing, explore it deeper and deeper until you are seated in the core of your own being, and the fear and insecurity will be gone.

But, I don't know whether I existed before I created this identity.

How to dig deeper.

Actually I want to ignore it. I want to run from this topic. It makes me insane.

Edited April 10, 2016 by likhil

[likhil]

22 hours ago, Pinocchio said:

The belief that you are the identity is what causes the fear of losing it. The fear is that if the identity disappears, then I disappear. But the identity is a mind construct, you are not.

You are the awareness of it. You are the one who sees the fear. You are the one who sees the identity. And you are the one who sees the identity disappear. Which it does every night when the body sleeps, without any problem.

This place from which everything is seen, is already enlightened. You need to find out that it's also absolute safety, intimacy and love. It's home. Always has been, always will be.

Then you can look at the fear from this place of love and safety, and you'll know it's just another thought that comes and goes. You don't depend on it, it depends on you. You are not over on that side. You never left home.

even in dreams I have an identity to stick with. 

One Identity is lost other comes.

How to become identity-less

[charlie2dogs]

27 minutes ago, likhil said:

But, I don't know whether I existed before I created this identity.

How to dig deeper.

Actually I want to ignore it. I want to run from this topic. It makes me insane.

then maybe you should enjoy the life of the identity you created for yourself until you are ready to discover the real you.  No matter at what stage you decide to discover this, it requires a transition from the identity to the real you.  If it is causing you this much fear and problem, i would ignore it for now, enjoy what you have until, there is a greater desire to know who and what you really are and then there should be no fear, but only a desire for liberation.  When you do decide to do this, the first thing is to be quiet, be still, don't think, just be still and be quiet and be with that source of life that is within your own body.  This should not cause any discomfort for you but should give you peace.  You are now consumed with too much information gathering that has you confused and in a state of fear and anxiety.  Let it rest for now and just do what i showed you to be still, quiet, with the life force within your physical body, that will be enough.

[likhil]

33 minutes ago, Pinocchio said:

 

 

 

I don't know. It's up to you to either run or find out. Maybe...

What do you expect anyone could possibly say to you that will put your mind at ease?

What's your identity between dreams?

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah he is right.

Think of a button if you click it you will die.

Click that button.

This is how it feels .THE BUTTON IS REAL.

I fear losing my loved ones.

Think of most valuable thing in your life and just kill it.

 

[likhil]

Please see the button is not a concept.

If you think this as a experiment/concept you don't fear bcoz you know it is a concept and this is for a sake of judging whether you will do it or not.

Even if you think you will push it you will not.

To find your button just See one concept

Before your date of birth you were nothing. And see what you are now.

Also see one day you will die.

What is this bullshit going on with you.

Can anybody doing intercourse can create you than what the fuck is this.

You don't have control over your life.

See you have 5 fingers , did you decided it, no  mother nature is there to decide what is that you will become.

 

There are more questions 

And above all I have to study for exams leaving it all aside.

Which I can't do,

I feel like I am going to fail.